Thermo aquatuner next to cool steam went sudently breaks

[forsakenAN]

Anyone can shed some light as to why?

[forsakenAN]

https://imgur.com/l2zdNmH

Its pretty straight forward setup, Cool steam went, next to aquatuner STEEL + its cooling banch of industrial machines to get to 125+ for steam turbine. Logical condition for cooling is 16 deg+. It worked for multiple cycles (70+) and sudently it blows up.

[forsakenAN]

It runs main loop for cooling + adding bit overflow from turbine when geyser refills it (so far manually done via valve as was early in game).
https://imgur.com/a/JwhJQn4

[POWER WITHIN USER]

As to spare my sanity trying to come up with a gentle explanation, I'll just tell you to load an earlier save and to not over complicate how pipes are laid out.

You've got the thermo aquatuner's output immediately feeding it's output while it's running on <1kg of water per pipe segment which means that it's using 1200W for about 0.1x of the cooling and sending half of those 1kg/s of water to a... metal refinery, all while having the steam turbine's output being split between a path that sends it to be cooled by the Thermo Aquatuner (TA) -why?- then into a liquid shutoff that would also send it to the TA before reintroducing it into the cool steam vent chamber when what you're trying to do is turn the output of a cool steam vent into water..
Don't do anything "fancy" if you don't fully understand what's going to happen.

Its pretty straight forward setup.

It's not.

Thermo aquatuner next to cool steam went sudently breaks
Anyone can shed some light as to why?

The TA overheated because it's in an area that has a pressure of 5kg of steam per tile.

[forsakenAN]

Ah cheers, i know i screwed the design there a lot, as i said, it was sorta early solution, and that shutoff was supposed to be overflow, havent realized that steam pressure was the actual problem. Guess some rebuild is in order. And yea it wasnt efficient in screenshot, as i turned everything off as it was no longer cooling after break (Before i was using it for steel smelting, so metal refinery would be supplying those 10kg/s, where i was using bit from salination side (1kg/s) to provide bit of cooling and when metal was not happening, turned it back to 10kg/s).

Anyway, thank you kind sir, for pointing me to another problem that i need to keep in mind ;). Here is cookie for ya

[AlexMBrennan]

The TA overheated because it's in an area that has a pressure of 5kg of steam per tile.

That does not make any sense because you can have steam pressure of hundreds of kg/tile without any problems.

The issue here is the exact opposite - less than half of the condensed water is returned to the steam room so the room will basically be turned into a vacuum when the vent isn't erupting. Running an aquatuner in a vacuum is a very bad idea so don't do that which is why we typically return all the condensed water to the steam room.

This makes it impossible to combine the cooling loop with your vent tamer so I would strongly suggest to not combine them.

[forsakenAN]

Ok now im bit confused, each tile had 120kg+ of steam. Consireding that other setup for volcano taming i run 168kg+/tile, i guess pressure aint actually problem...

https://imgur.com/AkAvjbl

And dont think it blown by change of state inside of pipes as thats running in loop anywhere between 2deg - around 80. Considering Igneus insulated pipes on top of that.

Since it was fed by either 95deg water from steam turbine, or product of desalinator (30deg initial brine) -> metal refinery (after steel refining, assuming if it tried to change state there, pipes before would already blown).

But yea point for next time, just keep it simpler and dont try to squeze everything in one place with first 1.2k steel + bit of plastic.

[POWER WITHIN USER]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

That does not make any sense because you can have steam pressure of hundreds of kg/tile without any problems.

I had to assume it was that due to the way the pipes coming out of the steam turbine were set up and due to the fact that the cool steam vent overpressurizes at 5kg. Also there's a second broken icon where a pipe should be.
Of course, dormancy periods were another possibility that I didn't consider.

On top of what has already been mentioned, the steam turbine isn't actually being cooled down by the "output" from the TA as bridges' output ports INSTANTLY transfer everything to their output, but by the liquid pipe bridge exchanging heat with the exterior area.

Running an aquatuner in a vacuum is a very bad idea so don't do that which is why we typically return all the condensed water to the steam room.

You can siphon all the steam from an area that has an aquatuner just fine provided that there is another liquid (ie. oil) surrounding the aquatuner and a temperature sensor such as
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2879948674

[Ender's games]

Piping is a kind of a mess. Still I cannot say for sure why it broke. But the pipes are definitely a mess.

[forsakenAN]

Well so ended up fixing it and found source of original problem (who does reload right?)

https://imgur.com/0JesvzO

Steam turbine gets almost 0 efficiency if it goes to 100+ degs. Which happend, i guess during steel cooling as it was running full power. Since steam generator didnt run, aquatuner was heating whole thing up constantly and ended overheating in end..... facepalm... Oh well, one radiant pipe aint enough.

[CloudSeeker]

How hot is your aquatuner? Water can be kind of hard to heat, so to spread out the heating you should use tempshift plates to even out the temperature.

What can happen if you don't have enough steam is that the steam do not absorb a lot of the heat which means the only thing that can really heat up is the aquatuner itself. This often happens when the steam is running out. Like when the vent go dormant and the steam generator take as much steam out of the system as possible.
What you should do in this system is to add a layer of oil or petroleum at the bottom. This will absorb the heat from the aquatuner first and then heat up the steam with tempshift plates. You should also add a automation failssafe system. Where it only activates the aquatuner if the petroleum is within a safe temperature for the aquatuner. This should not be a problem since if it is to hot the steam turbine will take care of it, and the vent will naturally cool it down. The only issue is that you need to have a check on what you put into the aquatuner. If the aquatuner deactivate because it might break you may with this design send hot water back into the refinery which may make it boil and break the pipes.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by forsakenAN:

Well so ended up fixing it and found source of original problem (who does reload right?)

https://imgur.com/0JesvzO

Steam turbine gets almost 0 efficiency if it goes to 100+ degs. Which happend, i guess during steel cooling as it was running full power. Since steam generator didnt run, aquatuner was heating whole thing up constantly and ended overheating in end..... facepalm... Oh well, one radiant pipe aint enough.

That might be the issue. You have not added the real cooling system to your steam turbine. It will stop working once it hit 100c. I always fill my steam turbine with Helium and have a seperate cooling loop just for the turbine. I do think you can just use the water it produce as a cooling source as well, but is more risky.

[cswiger]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

. I always fill my steam turbine with Helium and have a seperate cooling loop just for the turbine.

Hydrogen, most likely, not Helium.

I do think you can just use the water it produce as a cooling source as well, but is more risky.

There isn't any element of risk with a self-cooled turbine.

Either your turbine only handles cool steam (below 140 C), in which case self-cooling can work forever, or your turbine eats hotter steam...in which case, the turbine produces more heat than self-cooling can handle and it overheats.

https://oxygennotincluded.fandom.com/wiki/Steam_Turbine#Maximum_Steam_Temperature_for_sustainable_self-cooling

[umop-apisdn]

Unless they changed it in a recent patch, you can expect an aquatuner to cool by about 14 degrees per pass, not 16. Just wanted to help your math come out right (if there is any).

[chaney]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

The issue here is the exact opposite - less than half of the condensed water is returned to the steam room so the room will basically be turned into a vacuum when the vent isn't erupting. Running an aquatuner in a vacuum is a very bad idea so don't do that which is why we typically return all the condensed water to the steam room.

This makes it impossible to combine the cooling loop with your vent tamer so I would strongly suggest to not combine them.

Impossible, or does it only need regulation of the amount of Steam in the chamber? Since the vent is not steady, fixed rates won't work, so a little sensor feedback should be handy.