Klei Entertainment games will be removed from GeforceNow on friday 24th.

[Yobilat]

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2020/04/20/geforce-now-dev-support/

We’re transitioning as many games to GeForce NOW as possible over this time. For those leaving, we’ll give gamers as much notice as possible. Games from Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, XBOX Game Studios, Codemasters and Klei Entertainment will be removed from the service on Friday, April 24. We hope they’ll return in the future.

Oy vey! I cannot wait for the explanation from devs why I can play their games, that I've bought ON STEAM with my hard earned money, on my PC, my laptop, my friends computer, my parents computer, my cousin computer, my local public library computer, my fridge, toaster and coffee machine but somehow NVIDIA computer is no bueno or it is somehow NVIDIAs fault hat they are pulling games from their service (naturally you can still play on any other "rent a PC" services out there).

Why always the players and buyers of games are hurt by the petty power plays like that?

[Bokonon]

Why should you need Nvidia's streaming service to play ONI? Do you not have it installed locally on your computer? Nobody's removing your graphics drivers, Klei's just not supporting their streaming service. Maybe too much pirating going on over there, I don't know.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Why should you need Nvidia's streaming service to play ONI? Do you not have it installed locally on your computer? Nobody's removing your graphics drivers, Klei's just not supporting their streaming service. Maybe too much pirating going on over there, I don't know.

could be a cost to the devs in some form or another.

but yeah OP, read up on whats ACTUALLY going on. its a streaming service like Stadia by google. its not working out. and a lot of developers can see this and are pulling out.

its like complaining they no longer provide support for Jaguar 64x, and then you complain you cant play it from your car.

[Yobilat]

I still would like to know from devs themselves whats the reason and not random Nvidia blog post. I doubt it is cost, if it is a technical issue - it's most likely on Nvidia side and maybe they are waiting for Nvidia to fix it and in the meantime they removed their games from service - I can understand that but so far I didn't hear a word from Klei.

I get why big companies pulled back from GeforceNow - they usually are very against anything that wouldn't result in a big bonus for board of directors or maybe shareholders got upset because their stocks didn't show those sweet, artificially pumped, double digit percentage increase last quarter or they think that they can do better than Nvidia with rolling their own streaming service(good luck).

I just sincerely hope that didn't pulled the same stunt that Long Dark developers pulled of. Read up on that - while Nvidia wasn't really forthcomming with informations about their service, devs showed blatant lack of understanding what GeforceNow is and how it works and admitted their intention to limit players choice. "Devs should control where their games exist." - said Raphael van Lierop, one of the devs of Long Dark. Their game is for PC, it EXIST on Steam and they CHOSE this platform. Nothing more, nothing less. People bought it, were happy, played it on GeforceNow(sometimes exclusively) and suddenly the rug was pulled from under them because suddenly you need a developer blessing on which PC you can play. I can't seem to find the several hundred responses long thread(probably deleted now) of users that played and sometime even bought game to play on GeforceNow and suddenly they couldn't because reasons.

Most of the industry is already pretty bad(microtransactions, crunch culture, "infinite growth" corporate management, foreign political and capital influence, political bias - just to name a few) and we as a players can't really do anything about that and most of us accepted it and moved on with regret). One of last bastions of gaming where things are yet somewhat normal are indie devs so it's very alarming when something like this happens without the word why.

[Bokonon]

I've never used GeforeceNow and really can't be bothered to do much research into what it is. Steam is a platform, mostly for selling games but they also provide these forums, workshop and other things. What is GeforceNow providing?

I get the anti capitalist stuff, really I do, but I have my limits. In this context and not knowing about GeforceNow, seems like you're using it to somehow share games. I own multiple computers, I have Steam on them all, I can use any to play games, I don't see how this isn't sufficient.

People bought it, were happy, played it on GeforceNow(sometimes exclusively) and suddenly the rug was pulled from under them because suddenly you need a developer blessing on which PC you can play.

Does Klei anywhere use GeforceNow compatibility as a selling point? If yes then you might have a case, if not this is total crap. Software developers have always wanted to bless where you can run their software, have you never heard of a CD-key or serial number?

[Yobilat]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

I've never used GeforeceNow and really can't be bothered to do much research into what it is. Steam is a platform, mostly for selling games but they also provide these forums, workshop and other things. What is GeforceNow providing?

I get the anti capitalist stuff, really I do, but I have my limits. In this context and not knowing about GeforceNow, seems like you're using it to somehow share games. I own multiple computers, I have Steam on them all, I can use any to play games, I don't see how this isn't sufficient.

People bought it, were happy, played it on GeforceNow(sometimes exclusively) and suddenly the rug was pulled from under them because suddenly you need a developer blessing on which PC you can play.

Does Klei anywhere use GeforceNow compatibility as a selling point? If yes then you might have a case, if not this is total crap. Software developers have always wanted to bless where you can run their software, have you never heard of a CD-key or serial number?

I don't know why you are replying in this thread without knowing whats going on but I'll do some of the research for you:

1. Not all people have a PC powerfull enough to run games on. I've beaten AC:Origins and few others on GeforceNow because my GPU fried and had to wait a bit for a suitable replacement - back in closed beta of GeforceNow where you could run most of the stuff without artificial limits.
2. You can play games on GeforceNow without a PC(on TV or mobile phone), however you MUST have Steam Account(or uPlay) and you MUST buy/have games on STEAM(or uPlay) to play them.
3. You pay Nvidia for access to powerfull PC and electricity not for library of games - you bring your own that you already payed for.

My logic is this: If I have a Steam account(preferred platform by developer), and buy a game(for a price developer intended to sell it) and have an access to a computer that is able to run a game I should be free and able to do so.

If the game never worked on GeForceNow then tough luck as there were never any guaranties but if it was working and suddenly it stops not because of technical issue but seemingly without any explanation then something, somewhere went wrong. Comparisons to serial numbers or cd-keys are moot - DRM is a blessing for WHO can play the game(it should be you and only you), not WHERE (on which device which sould match or exceed minimum specs set by developer).

[Bokonon]

Cool, I didn't realize GeforceNow ran it in the cloud for you like that. Interesting concept.

It's a bummer for you and those who also do this for the reason you do. I get it's going to impact (or may impact) your ability to play ONI. Still though, unless it was sold (by Klei) as supporting it, I think they're within their rights for whatever reason to terminate whatever support there is.

You still own the game in Steam. If and when you get a computer that can play it, it's still yours. I get it's not helpful in the short term and I'm probably just annoying you but ... if you don't have a computer that meets the minimum requirements, that's kinda on you to have spent the money ...

Edit:
Also:

DRM is a blessing for WHO can play the game, not WHERE

While I agree this *should* be the case, it just isn't. Software has long been locked to one (or some number) of unique computers, not users. Anyone with access to an allowed computer can run the software.

[Yobilat]

My issue is mostly with lack of transparency. There is a difference between "GeforceNow is cool and all but we have [legitimate reason/issue] so for the time being we cannot "officially" or "unofficially" support playing there [because experience is noticably subpar vs normal PC or something]. [Apology]. [Maybe our games will be back]" and "NOPE" or nothing at all.

As for DRM: Hardware locking you talking about can be a legitimate bussiness decision for some software and that is ok but for games attempts at that (StarForce) ended up as a complete failure in the end and was only introduce to combat already ineffective client side DRM measures. In a digital world(instead of phisical) there are better ways(for developers) to handle that. Any platform that sell games digitally today is a crown example of that.

[Ancient]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

While I agree this *should* be the case, it just isn't. Software has long been locked to one (or some number) of unique computers, not users. Anyone with access to an allowed computer can run the software.

Yeah but that's not how Steam licensing works. You can play your library on any number of different computers, but your library is locked to playing on one PC at a time. I think that's fair. These kinds of services don't get around that. Your library is still locked for use if you're playing it on GFN and you can't use it elsewhere until you're done.

The problem with developers pulling games off GFNow is that it shouldn't matter if you want to play it on your hardware, at a friend's house, at a PC arcade (where you physically go to rent a gaming PC for a few hours) or if you rent the hardware from GFN, Shadow, Vortex, Parsec, LiquidSky, etc. The odd thing is there are dozens of other game streaming services besides GFN that work the same way and you can still play all these "banned" games on those services. The publishers seem to be trying to pressure Nvidia into giving them a cut of the subscription money because they're the biggest name in cloud gaming, but it's backfiring because Nvidia isn't going to do that (it's only $5 a month). They'll just play ball and remove the games while it makes the publishers look like a-holes in the eyes of the gamers who they're screwing over and gamers will go on and use a different service.

What's really happening is that Stadia came out and is a walled garden streaming platform where you have to rebuy any games you want to play and greedy publishers are seeing dollar signs at that notion and want to sign up with Stadia instead. They love the idea of being able to double dip sales on other platforms like they've done for different consoles vs each other and vs PC. You can tell this is the case when the same publishers decried the XBox Play Anywhere system where any purchase on XBox or the Windows Store grants you a license to play the same game on either platform. They don't like the idea of a unified licensing system that is pro-consumer.

The problem with them siding with Google and Stadia is that Stadia is going to fail (it sort of has already, the hype is dead) because that arrangement where you'd need to rebuy any games you might want to play via streaming is very pro-publisher but craps all over users who already own the games and just want to rent a cloud PC to play their existing library. It's simply not worth buying the games again on Stadia (especially not when some are even more expensive than on Steam and Stadia doesn't have Steam's sale-centric environment where discounts are what moves game sales). As a user investing in a Stadia library, you're also taking a huge risk if Stadia ever goes under which is part of why it's not taking off. Any games bought there will be gone and unusable if Stadia ever closes down.

GFN and other cloud gaming services simply use your Steam, UPlay, Origin, Epic and GOG Galaxy libraries and existing licenses and if GFN (or another similar service) were to disappear tomorrow, you really lose nothing, you still have all your libraries of games.

[Black Jesus]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Why should you need Nvidia's streaming service to play ONI? Do you not have it installed locally on your computer? Nobody's removing your graphics drivers, Klei's just not supporting their streaming service. Maybe too much pirating going on over there, I don't know.

If you bought ONI on Steam them removing it from GeForce Now will not affect you playing the game as Steam is a separate distribution platform from GeForce Now. If you bought it on GeForce Now then yeah your screwed but then why are you complaining about it here then?

[Bokonon]

I've got a halfway decent laptop, I've got a couple of games that don't run (or don't run well enough to play) but I don't sweat it, I'll upgrade someday and play them then. Never even though about paying for something like this so I have no real opinion on the GFN/Stadia controversy ... Interesting though.

[Ban Doga]

Originally posted by Black Jesus:

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Why should you need Nvidia's streaming service to play ONI? Do you not have it installed locally on your computer? Nobody's removing your graphics drivers, Klei's just not supporting their streaming service. Maybe too much pirating going on over there, I don't know.

If you bought ONI on Steam them removing it from GeForce Now will not affect you playing the game as Steam is a separate distribution platform from GeForce Now. If you bought it on GeForce Now then yeah your screwed but then why are you complaining about it here then?

You cannot buy games on Geforce NOW, instead you play the games that you already bought elsewhere on hardware from NVidia.

It's obvious you don't understand what you're talking about.

[Wensiscia]

*EDIT*

After get an proper answer from Klei Staff itself,
i honestly apologize for my accusion and deleted the rest of this post.

Sorry again and thx for sharing the post from Klei.

Greetings

[IdealPoint]

There are very obvious reasons why a studio would refuse to allow Geforce now to use their software.

Geforce now allows multiple people to 'share' software as long as they don't attempt to play the software at the same time. You and your buddy next door could use the same account and just take turns using the software. Geforce now doesn't police this behavior.

Geforce now does not allow a publisher to provide proper support for their product. A customer has a problem with their software while using geforce now. Is this due to a problem with the software, the hardware nvidia is using, the streaming quality, the customer's hardware, or something else?

Of course the most obvious reason a publisher would stop participating is because of contract constraints. Perhaps nvidia didn't have the expected user base and decided to reduce payments to some publishers. There's no obligation for any company to continue service in that case. Or perhaps Klei games just aren't very popular on geforce now, so nvidia dropped them altogether.

We don't know the actual reason why Klei isn't participating any more. But it shouldn't be assumed to be anti consumer. You bought the software. You can still use it without geforce now.

[Angpaur]

Originally posted by IdealPoint:

We don't know the actual reason why Klei isn't participating any more.

We do know. Here is official statement: https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/117512-geforce-now-game-removal/?do=findComment&comment=1326676

Wensiscia you should not acuse others without any evidence. I hope that at least you feel ashamed of yourself.

[Big Hat Logan]

I do not think their concern is sharing. Klei games are usually played dozen of hours and not too expensive, such that sharing in not really practical. And even then, there is family sharing...

edit: oh , that post above explains it...