Anyway to learn automation?

[Corona Varus]

All the yt tutorials are confusing.

[fractalgem]

It's a lot easier if you already understand if->then, AND, OR, and NOT. Basic logic stuff really.

A machine without any wire attached is ON.

A machine with a green signal is ON

A machine with no signal, red, is OFF.

Applying any green signal to a wire turns the entire wire green, regardless of how many red signals are being applied to that wire.

So, say I want to make an alert to myself if water levels drop too low. I plop a hydro sensor in my water tank, change the setting so it sends a signal if the pressure is under 500, and then connect a wire between it and the alert device.
With me so far?

[Corona Varus]

Originally posted by fractalgem:

It's a lot easier if you already understand if->then, AND, OR, and NOT. Basic logic stuff really.

A machine without any wire attached is ON.

A machine with a green signal is ON

A machine with no signal, red, is OFF.

Applying any green signal to a wire turns the entire wire green, regardless of how many red signals are being applied to that wire.

So, say I want to make an alert to myself if water levels drop too low. I plop a hydro sensor in my water tank, change the setting so it sends a signal if the pressure is under 500, and then connect a wire between it and the alert device.
With me so far?

not that, SHIPPING.
SHIPPING

[fractalgem]

Oh. Shipping. Yeah that's a different system. You said automation which is what ONI calls the logic system :P

Well...

First, the conveyor rails. They're pretty simple in concept; things go onto conveyor loaders, from there to the conveyor rail, and to either a conveyor chute (if you don't care how much stuff it drops onto the ground) or a conveyor receptacle (if you DO care and want it to stop filling at a certain point).

Not much use on its own, but it DOES still let you move things across your base if you have the spare raw metals or spare steel.

Now, obviously, if you simply allow duplicants to use a conveyor loader, and DON"T set it to sweep only, there's a very good chance they'll run to the conveyor chute on the other end and grab the stuff, take it back to the loader, and waste both power and duplicant time; ergo, you must either prevent this with door controls, or not allowing duplicants to use it in the first place. This is the main complication that can arise when using the shipping system.


As for sweepers, well...

As a sample system, place a sweeper in your hatch ranch, a conveyor loader in its range set to allow coal, and then run a conveyor over to your kilns. Place either a chute or a conveyor recptacle in the kiln room, then a sweeper that covers both the receptacle and the kilns. The sweeper will load the kilns with coal as needed, saving duplicant time. Well, when the duplicants don't grab the job before the sweepers do, and run coal from the hatch ranch all the way to the kilns themselves; but if your rancher is the only one allowed in the hatch ranch, and the rancher is NOT allowed in the kilns, this will not be an issue. (duplicants may still try to deliver the coal themselves, but over a much shorter distance).

Does that help?

[Corona Varus]

No. Need pictures. I can't just freaking pop-out what you just said into a world.

[POWER WITHIN USER]

Originally posted by Corona Varus:

shipping guide????

It's like liquid/gas pipes but instead of pumps, it's auto sweepers getting things into loaders. Also you need 5 skillpoints to even start placing them and everything costs a lot of metal.

[Ender's games]

https://oxygennotincluded.fandom.com/wiki/Shipping_(Building)

https://youtu.be/KaEs_Grtts4

[caseyas435943]

Originally posted by Corona Varus:

All the yt tutorials are confusing.

Never seen anyone do even a fair help video on automation.

Most just do something hiding most of it and say there you are.

Never seen one play thru where anyone ever used a Signal Distributor or Signal Selector. They are used for something what who knows. Never found a reason to even try and make it do something.

Even the classic over builders in the game video world never use them.

Even the maker of the game seems to try and keep some things secret. You'd think they want people to know how somethings work so you are use those things in a game. But they don't.

Then dumb other things down making it so easy it's just silly. They are an odd company.

[Corona Varus]

The 'shipping' I can't make the food I cooked to one area where there is carbon dioxide and water-locked. The sucking thing won't dispense it to the conveyor belt to my great hall.

[POWER WITHIN USER]

Originally posted by Corona Varus:

The 'shipping' I can't make the food I cooked to one area where there is carbon dioxide and water-locked. The sucking thing won't dispense it to the conveyor belt to my great hall.

https://youtu.be/T4ueN4f06is?t=319

[Corona Varus]

Originally posted by POWER WITHIN USER:

Originally posted by Corona Varus:

The 'shipping' I can't make the food I cooked to one area where there is carbon dioxide and water-locked. The sucking thing won't dispense it to the conveyor belt to my great hall.

https://youtu.be/T4ueN4f06is?t=319

All I need is a fridge with electricity? Does it need carbon dioxide?

[caseyas435943]

Originally posted by Ender's games:

https://oxygennotincluded.fandom.com/wiki/Shipping_(Building)

https://youtu.be/KaEs_Grtts4

Never understood why people bring all the hot and cold stuff back to store and put it right square in the middle of their livable base. So, you eat up prime living, farming etc. areas to store everything. It's just silly.

You either heat your area up on a hot map. Or freeze your area or a cold map. Turning a once livable area into a worthless area you now not to temp control.

Plus, storage is a huge decor hit.

I've watched more than my share is play thru where people do that. Corps are dying because they are put in areas they don't grow. To make room for storage right in the middle of the base. Or the storage heated up or froze out the crops.

Dupes have nothing to do anyway after a while. They eat and suck up air doing nothing after cycle 500 or so. So having them walk somewhere really doesn't matter.

[cswiger]

Originally posted by caseyas435943:

You either heat your area up on a hot map. Or freeze your area or a cold map. Turning a once livable area into a worthless area you now not to temp control.

Uncontrolled sweeping of junk is fine if you have a working temperature control system. Having a lot of mass at 20 C helps maintain temp stability.

Before then, moving cold materials like ice into your base if it is getting too hot is worthwhile.

Plus, storage is a huge decor hit.

So?

Place a door and the decor hit is contained to the room with the Storage Bins. Your dupes aren't going to be spending time around the bins on a routine basis.

Dupes have nothing to do anyway after a while. They eat and suck up air doing nothing after cycle 500 or so. So having them walk somewhere really doesn't matter.

This is a moot point for the ~93% of players who never make it past cycle 365.

It's mostly moot even for the one player out of twenty who runs a base for hundreds of cycles, because those players can complete all the goals like Home Sweet Home and The Great Escape before cycle 500.

[Mayhem X01]

Nothing to do after cycle 500 lol I'm at cycle 1800 and still have a ton to do

I have no clue how people run out of stuff to do in under 500 cycles

I have 15 super dupes at this point

And no not sandbox

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by Mayhem X01:

Nothing to do after cycle 500 lol I'm at cycle 1800 and still have a ton to do

I have no clue how people run out of stuff to do in under 500 cycles

I have 15 super dupes at this point

And no not sandbox

That's just caseyas being caseyas.

[bwhitejr]

Originally posted by caseyas435943:

Originally posted by Corona Varus:

All the yt tutorials are confusing.

Never seen anyone do even a fair help video on automation.

Most just do something hiding most of it and say there you are.

Never seen one play thru where anyone ever used a Signal Distributor or Signal Selector. They are used for something what who knows. Never found a reason to even try and make it do something.

Even the classic over builders in the game video world never use them.

Even the maker of the game seems to try and keep some things secret. You'd think they want people to know how somethings work so you are use those things in a game. But they don't.

Then dumb other things down making it so easy it's just silly. They are an odd company.

This is simply not true. Many streamers have done videos on automation, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jheE3vYWag

Or this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCrtFLyDAog

Or this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiqNbKiWqrk

Brothgar also used to do deep dives into automation, and explaining his builds - and the ONI forums and reddit have covered the topic extensively. Nobody is keeping anything secret, that's just silly.