Water out of steam vents

[Aleddra]

I'm playing on rime, the cold one? I've been using a pool of salt water, it came with the map perks.

It's running out. I have this cool steam vent thing. I never really used those, i don't know how. Would it be like a refinery, with a steam power plant? I remember hearing the steam doesn't make it to 125 degree.

I would use an aquatuner, but i don't have anything nearby for 1.2k power. Is it the only way?

[leandrombraz]

You can use a cooling loop to transfer the heat somewhere else. In my base, I got luck with a Cool Slush Geyser (-10 polluted water) close to the cool steam vent, so I just run the loop through the hot water and the cold water, to keep both in an average temperature. If you have somewhere cold where you can send the heat, you can solve it just with some pipes running polluted water.

Since you're on rime, you could also just run the water to wherever you plan to use it, going through areas of your base that you want to heat. It will heat your base and cool down the water in the process.

[Angpaur]

Why don't you finally try to solve such problems by your own, instead of constantly asking on forum? The answers are obvious - you don't have nothimg nearby for 1.2kW? The obvious fact is you don't have to, since you can lay power lines as far as you want. But even if you want to have something nearby then why don't you just do that by, for example, building two coal generators nearby?

Why you want others to tell you how to play your game? This is becoming ridiculous...

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by Angpaur:

Why don't you finally try to solve such problems by your own, instead of constantly asking on forum? The answers are obvious - you don't have nothimg nearby for 1.2kW? The obvious fact is you don't have to, since you can lay power lines as far as you want. But even if you want to have something nearby then why don't you just do that by, for example, building two coal generators nearby?

Why you want others to tell you how to play your game? This is becoming ridiculous...

I would understand your reaction if he was spamming the forum daily with questions, but his last thread was almost a Month ago. Are you playing on Oceania today to be so salty?

Some people like to figure out everything for themselves, while others get anxious when dealing with the unknown, and would rather get some help. There's no right way to play, and, as long as he doesn't break any forum rules, there's nothing wrong asking for some help. If you don't feel like helping today, just ignore his thread. It'll be better for everyone.

[Narrowmind]

Yeah, I looked for the threads he seemed to referring to, too... Everyone has questions. Yeah, the 500 hours is suspect. lol But we all learn at different speeds.

[Angpaur]

Yeah, people can ask for help when are facing dificullities. But if this becomes a habit it means they no longer learn anything, but just to mimic. This also means they lose ability to solve problems by themselves. In such conditions I just don't see how continue playing game this way has still any sense.

Aleddra has history of asking about every slighty more challenging problem instead of just trying to solve the problem in own way and risk failing, but also losing oportunity to learn. This game is based mostly on learning by your own mistakes and restarting. If you just ask for solutions you remove one big part of game experience. And I just can't watch people doing such disservice to themselves.

[Aleddra]

@the 500 hours. I played terra a lot, started over often. Now i can complete it now and I'm trying new maps. I'm encountering situations i never did before. Fixing water on rime is one of them.

There is no right way to play.
There is no right way to post.
And i can't honestly tell you to respect people.

If you're beast and you can complete every map and you figured out everything, good for you. I'm not on your level.

I'm not mad at you. But it would be lying to say your attitude is respectful.

I don't want to trigger you but you seem to faceplant my every threads. Hard.

There's this common thing called "netdecking". You would google the best possibe hearthstone deck and play it. You would google the best Heroes of the storm talents and copy/paste. I'm not a sheep.. Nothing wrong with sheep.

I'm not going for worldwide ONI trophy of the ultimate best. I just want to play, and relax. You know, i stopped playing for a long while, a month?, following your attitude.

You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how unconstructive it might be. I can't help you with personal problems though.

You can't help me. Fine. Just... Walk away next time you see my name. You're not helpful.

[bwhitejr]

Originally posted by Angpaur:

Yeah, people can ask for help when are facing dificullities. But if this becomes a habit it means they no longer learn anything, but just to mimic. This also means they lose ability to solve problems by themselves. In such conditions I just don't see how continue playing game this way has still any sense.

Aleddra has history of asking about every slighty more challenging problem instead of just trying to solve the problem in own way and risk failing, but also losing oportunity to learn. This game is based mostly on learning by your own mistakes and restarting. If you just ask for solutions you remove one big part of game experience. And I just can't watch people doing such disservice to themselves.

This is a big old cup of "not your problem to solve". My suggestion: refrain from these forums, if you're so triggered by other people. I go out of my way to be friendly here, because A. being rude isn't needed, B. being rude isn't productive, and C. it ain't your job to be rude.

Also, there are a lot of posters here who may be young - there's nothing wrong with that, but they may not have enough experience or knowledge to problem solve at the ONI level yet. And, if someone is struggling with some of the core concepts of the game, there is no reason not to help and discuss it with them - which is what these forums are for - one thing they're not intended for is how you're acting. Trying something yourself is and can be valuable, but tutoring/mentoring others has been a thing since we were in the cave, teaching others how to chip flint to make tools with. And entities like schools, universities and teachers exist.

[AlexMBrennan]

Would it be like a refinery, with a steam power plant? I remember hearing the steam doesn't make it to 125 degree.

It's theoretically possible to heat the 110C steam to 125C to run a steam turbine but I believe that it's too much trouble to bother with; you would need to store a good amount of heat to instantly heat the steam when the vent becomes active to stop the cold steam from blocking the geyser.

With steel, you could use another steam room as a heat store (up to 1000kg of 300C per tile) which you can heat up using the aquatuners you use to cool your base, fridge, etc. You could then circulate hot steam/hot oil/hot sand? between the geyser chamber and the heat store.

Is that worth the trouble? I doubt it. You sacrifice the ability to generate power from waste heat but you don't need to run an AT to condense the steam.

[bwhitejr]

Originally posted by Aleddra:

I'm playing on rime, the cold one? I've been using a pool of salt water, it came with the map perks.

It's running out. I have this cool steam vent thing. I never really used those, i don't know how. Would it be like a refinery, with a steam power plant? I remember hearing the steam doesn't make it to 125 degree.

I would use an aquatuner, but i don't have anything nearby for 1.2k power. Is it the only way?

Steam vents aren't useful to run steam turbines. But just remember how steam turns back into liquid: by cooling - it's the basis of distilling - water is turned into steam, which can't carry impurities with it, and when it cools it turns back to liquid, so you get clean, pure water at the end of the process. So approach it like that - the vent pumps a bunch of steam into the air, which can harm dupes, so lock the steam vent into a chamber. It will condense on it's own, into a pool of HOT water - and then you have to cool it.
You're on RIme. Run a pipe loop from the hot water pool from it through a frozen biome, or at the top of the map in the regolith, and and back to the hot water, it should equalize in temp over time to lower temps. Once you build it, no power needed. Or pump the water from the hot water pool, through a cold area, into a new pool. One of the core concepts of ONI is moving heat, and cooling loops are the easiest way, as long as a pipe loop has a "direction", typically from a single pipe bridge, you can move water forever with no power. You don't need an aquatuner here, just some pipes, and a cold/frozen zone to transfer the heat into.
One gotcha to remember is that if it gets cold enough, plain water will crack pipes, which is why polluted water is usually better for loops, as it has a lower freezing point and higher thermal conductivity (it can store more heat). But it should be doable with hot water from a steam vent, I've done it many times, to get water from them that isn't 90C. All you need is a single pump - made of gold amalgam for the heat (steel is perfect, if you can make it), running off a single coal gen, or off a single wire running to your base. or a simple pipe loop.
Later on, when you have more power and better materials like steel and plastic, you can upgrade the system and install an aquatuner loop. But for now, the first couple of tiers of tech have all the simple tools you need to get this done. Especially on Rime, cooling things there shouldn't be an issue. :)

[Aleddra]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2681014102

Heating up the steam to cool it down seems... counterproductive.

What would happen if i just put a water pump on the bottom and let the steam vent run? I mean would it work since it's rime?

In the end the problem is fixing a stable water input, and managing the cold. I've mentioned the cold steam vent because i thought it would be a good idea to use it. But there might be other methods i know nothing about.

Rime is full of ice, it would make sense to melt it. My attempt was not successful. See screenshot.


@bwhitejr Right. if the steam turns to water on it's own, then there isn't really a problem. I suppose the video i watched what on another map type. Or maybe it was for volcanoes, i don't remember.

[leandrombraz]

The video you watched might have been a normal steam vent, which is hotter (500ºc). Cool steam vents produce steam at 110ºc, which is really close to its condensation point (99.4ºc), so it turns into water really fast. Just surround it with insulated tiles, so it doesn't heat the surrounding area, then the only problem you will have is to cool the hot water, which is more of a solution than a problem, since you're trying to melt ice. Use a cooling loop to transfer the hit to the cold biome, and you'll be hitting two birds with one stone. By cooling looping I mean a pipe that runs polluted water (freeze point -20ºc) through the hot water, and through the ice. Use radiant pipes on the water and the ice, for better heat transfer, and insulated pipes everywhere else.
Be sure to put at least one liquid bridge on the loop, which will make the water run, then you can fill it with polluted water (don't fill it completely, or the water won't run), and disconnect the pump. It won't consume energy, and it will get the job done, at least until the cold biome heats up.

[Narrowmind]

We're glad you're here, Aleddra.

We appreciate your questions, at any number of hours.

[AlexMBrennan]

Heating up the steam to cool it down seems... counterproductive.

The point is to take advantage of the fact that steam turbines turn 125C into piped 95C water without the need for a 240W liquid pump. I thought that this marginal improvement in efficiency is why you brought up that idea.

What would happen if i just put a water pump on the bottom and let the steam vent run? I mean would it work since it's rime?

It will run until the surrounding area hits 97C; at that point the steam will stop condensing and everything will stop.

Rime is full of ice, it would make sense to melt it. My attempt was not successful. See screenshot.

Space heaters are extremely inefficient; you should consider using liquid tepidizers (they draw 8x the power and provide 225x the heat) instead.

[Aleddra]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

What would happen if i just put a water pump on the bottom and let the steam vent run? I mean would it work since it's rime?

It will run until the surrounding area hits 97C; at that point the steam will stop condensing and everything will stop.

What do you mean "everything will stop"? The steam vent would refill the water, no?

[caseyas435943]

Originally posted by Angpaur:

Why don't you finally try to solve such problems by your own, instead of constantly asking on forum? The answers are obvious - you don't have nothimg nearby for 1.2kW? The obvious fact is you don't have to, since you can lay power lines as far as you want. But even if you want to have something nearby then why don't you just do that by, for example, building two coal generators nearby?

Why you want others to tell you how to play your game? This is becoming ridiculous...

So, you don't like people asking questions? If you don't like that sort of thing maybe don't go to a forum where people, ask questions.

Or look at the post and move on if you don't like to help people. Being a a-hole isn't something to be proud of which I'm sure you are by the way you posted.