Rime is really easier than Terra?

[Alucard †]

I was wondering if not to try different Asteroids tho i would probably fail even harder than on Terra.

What caught my attention when googling detailed descriptions of Asteroids and their traits.
I keep bumping into posts claiming Rime is the easiest of all avaialble Asteroids.

Really?? I mean i know the entire map is one giant heatsink but what about food and other resources etc?

[In-Bread Dog]

Rime has lower temperatures meaning that you can set up industry much easier without having to worry about heat. Rime also has 10 out of 11 biomes, meaning you will have just about every plant and resource without rocketry. Since rime has low temperatures, this makes growing sleet wheat which is a key ingredient in high quality foods like the burger, this also kills any slimelung germs, making exploration of the swamp biome extremely easy. The only problem is that you’ll likely need to heat up your base for certain plants to grow (pepper nuts, balm lily, etc...) and most critters will die of the cold so you’ll probably only get critters from gifts.

[Alucard †]

Interesting so it has nice variety of biomes.
So it's basically colder Terra+
I think i'll give it a shot

[Angelo Dante]

Badlands is like Rime (still cold) but full of hard granite and resources are pretty scarce. Good for ranching early, too. Give it a shot some time when you feel like a new start.

[In-Bread Dog]

As mentioned by angelo, badlands is a good choice for industry, although greatly lacking in organic materials. I've got a pretty good seed that had a glacier spawn on top of the oil biome which you can use for steam power. it also spawned with 3 anti entropy nullifers near each other.
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[fradow]

There is a big asterisk missing from a lot of claims that Rime is the easiest asteroid: it's the easiest for at least medium to experienced players who know how to easily deal with the cold.

If you don't know how to deal with the cold, it's going to be harder than Terra at the beginning. It's also a ticking timer: it's a giant heatsink, but it's not unlimited. If you rely on it for too long, you are in for a bad experience.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by fradow:

There is a big asterisk missing from a lot of claims that Rime is the easiest asteroid: it's the easiest for at least medium to experienced players who know how to easily deal with the cold.

If you don't know how to deal with the cold, it's going to be harder than Terra at the beginning. It's also a ticking timer: it's a giant heatsink, but it's not unlimited. If you rely on it for too long, you are in for a bad experience.

Actually i've been reading that Rime is better for beginners than Terra.
That it's basically easy mode.

Even on wiki someone wrote in the main article "Rime Asteroid can be considered an introductory, beginner-friendly preset."

So that what got me curious ... "Wait .. really?"
Cause as you said i assumed too that dealing with cold and ranching or even farming can be a big problem on Rime.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by In-Bread Dog:

As mentioned by angelo, badlands is a good choice for industry, although greatly lacking in organic materials. I've got a pretty good seed that had a glacier spawn on top of the oil biome which you can use for steam power. it also spawned with 3 anti entropy nullifers near each other.
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Hmm interesting tho Badlands seem a bit too harsh for me but i'll probably try it at some point like rest of these. Thanks for the seed.

[AlexMBrennan]

The nice thing about Badlands is that you can find processed iron just lying around, allowing you to build automation, radiant pipes, etc, immediately with minimal effort.

[lPaladinl]

Originally posted by fradow:

There is a big asterisk missing from a lot of claims that Rime is the easiest asteroid: it's the easiest for at least medium to experienced players who know how to easily deal with the cold.

If you don't know how to deal with the cold, it's going to be harder than Terra at the beginning. It's also a ticking timer: it's a giant heatsink, but it's not unlimited. If you rely on it for too long, you are in for a bad experience.

This is what I would say as well. Rime is easier once you understand the basic needs to get a simple base running. For a totally new player you have a larger workload to start doing things like farming, which is where a lot of new players first fail.

Otherwise it's easier in the long term because you can deal with heat more easily, but by that same token, is only really an issue for newer players.

An experienced player doesn't have to care about heat too much because they know how to vent it for late-game heat crawl.

However the other thing people overlook is piping/ventilation and the need to keep temperatures controlled to prevent freezing and destroying your infrastructure. Even your basic bathrooms can run into issues if not setup properly. That's something you rarely ever have to think about on a normal map.

[bwhitejr]

Originally posted by Angelo Dante:

Badlands is like Rime (still cold) but full of hard granite and resources are pretty scarce. Good for ranching early, too. Give it a shot some time when you feel like a new start.

Badlands is a hatch farm paradise if you know how to set up cooling loops with aquatuners. It's one of my favorite maps. Endless coal with enough hatch farms, and bbq forever. Most Badlands maps I played had plenty of geysers for water, as well.

[Shame]

Originally posted by ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Originally posted by fradow:

There is a big asterisk missing from a lot of claims that Rime is the easiest asteroid: it's the easiest for at least medium to experienced players who know how to easily deal with the cold.

If you don't know how to deal with the cold, it's going to be harder than Terra at the beginning. It's also a ticking timer: it's a giant heatsink, but it's not unlimited. If you rely on it for too long, you are in for a bad experience.

Actually i've been reading that Rime is better for beginners than Terra.
That it's basically easy mode.

Even on wiki someone wrote in the main article "Rime Asteroid can be considered an introductory, beginner-friendly preset."

So that what got me curious ... "Wait .. really?"
Cause as you said i assumed too that dealing with cold and ranching or even farming can be a big problem on Rime.

Terra will give you enough to learn about the game until about cycle 200. Once you get to that and fail switch to Rime as you will hit a heat wall because Terra is too hot and has nothing you could understand or figure out on your own to cool things down.

Your options for reliable cooling are extremely limited anyway until you get plastic for a Steam Turbine and manufacture some steel for the Aqua Tuner (can get away with gold amalgam, but you need to add extra things to it). The alternatives aren't good enough unless you are super efficient with things, which I guarantee you will not be, those being wheezeworts, an AETN and a slim chance your map has a cool slush geyser hiding somewhere.

Once you hit the heat wall, you are better off switching to Rime. Then you can actually progress in the game without having plants stifle just because machinery and surrounding temperatures heated up your farming area by 5C. You can reach rocketry with most of the planetoid still being being cold and that general heat sink lasting you thousands of cycles until you actually need Steam Turbine + Aqua Tuner setup.

The game isn't balanced, Klei did a goof on this one as basically ass base game variations make you suffer from heat sooner or later with not much reasonable options to work with, but they have made some strides with the DLC asteroids. The smaller DLC Terra variant is even worse than base game Terra I would say, you just get some volcanoes plus 2 cool steam vents, which are the worst type of water source to have because of the specific output temperature being both too hot and too cold for the taming to be easier.

An even better, easier and more fun gameplay for early to mid players I suggest you try the Swamp start for the DLC. It has two slush geysers at -10C so your colony doesn't even need Steam Turbine + Aqua Tuner setup, but instead tepidisers to keep the water temperate. Just that the start can be a bit difficult with some flooding and polluted oxygen.

For a bit more challenge try the Forest planetoid from the DLC, it gives you the cold geysers with more varying temperatures as well as some more interesting geyser variations to work with and the only starting problem will be oxygen as you will need to dig further for alternatives to algae and polluted oxygen, which you don't find in your starting biome.

[Alucard †]

I don't have the DLC tho
And i'll probably wait till its out of EA before deciding to buy it.

[caseyas435943]

Terra is easy. But I'd say the easiest would be Oceania. You'll have water for 1000+ cycles without tapping any source of water (water geyser.)

Rime can be very hard for new players when plants don't grown because of the cold. It's just as bad as a hot start which doesn't let plants to grow. Food can be harder to get started.

Badlands is darn easy too. You just need to start farming as soon as you can't being seeds are lower numbers. But other than that is very easy. Just not as easy as Oceania because of the tons of water everywhere.

[Alucard †]

It's salt water sadly so that's both dealing with power and heat.
In ONI it seems a lot easier to just heat stuff up than cool them down.

[caseyas435943]

Originally posted by Shame:

Originally posted by ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Actually i've been reading that Rime is better for beginners than Terra.
That it's basically easy mode.

Even on wiki someone wrote in the main article "Rime Asteroid can be considered an introductory, beginner-friendly preset."

So that what got me curious ... "Wait .. really?"
Cause as you said i assumed too that dealing with cold and ranching or even farming can be a big problem on Rime.

Terra will give you enough to learn about the game until about cycle 200. Once you get to that and fail switch to Rime as you will hit a heat wall because Terra is too hot and has nothing you could understand or figure out on your own to cool things down.

Your options for reliable cooling are extremely limited anyway until you get plastic for a Steam Turbine and manufacture some steel for the Aqua Tuner (can get away with gold amalgam, but you need to add extra things to it). The alternatives aren't good enough unless you are super efficient with things, which I guarantee you will not be, those being wheezeworts, an AETN and a slim chance your map has a cool slush geyser hiding somewhere.

Once you hit the heat wall, you are better off switching to Rime. Then you can actually progress in the game without having plants stifle just because machinery and surrounding temperatures heated up your farming area by 5C. You can reach rocketry with most of the planetoid still being being cold and that general heat sink lasting you thousands of cycles until you actually need Steam Turbine + Aqua Tuner setup.

The game isn't balanced, Klei did a goof on this one as basically ass base game variations make you suffer from heat sooner or later with not much reasonable options to work with, but they have made some strides with the DLC asteroids. The smaller DLC Terra variant is even worse than base game Terra I would say, you just get some volcanoes plus 2 cool steam vents, which are the worst type of water source to have because of the specific output temperature being both too hot and too cold for the taming to be easier.

An even better, easier and more fun gameplay for early to mid players I suggest you try the Swamp start for the DLC. It has two slush geysers at -10C so your colony doesn't even need Steam Turbine + Aqua Tuner setup, but instead tepidisers to keep the water temperate. Just that the start can be a bit difficult with some flooding and polluted oxygen.

For a bit more challenge try the Forest planetoid from the DLC, it gives you the cold geysers with more varying temperatures as well as some more interesting geyser variations to work with and the only starting problem will be oxygen as you will need to dig further for alternatives to algae and polluted oxygen, which you don't find in your starting biome.

Terra is to hot? Where?

You don't even need a insulate for a long time. There only heat is in the oil biome.

Terra is to hot. My Lord when? What seed number. It's starts at 22C just about everywhere in the whole starting area.

You won't hit this so called heat wall on Terra for 800+ cycles if even then.

I had a play through where I didn't even insulate my base. There just no enough heat on Terra to kill you forever in your base. Of course the oil biome is hot. But without a froze core start it's always hot.

I could put beginners on Terra and Rime. More would fail on Rime than Terra. They probably fail on Rime before cycle 50 almost ever game as crops freeze. Your water for you bathrooms freezes. It wouldn't even be close. Beginners would fail on Rime 10-10 games because of the cold. Before they fail on Terra because of the hot.

You could even have hatches die from the cold as well.

Rime is not easier then Terra. It's not even close either.

Now if he's talking about the DLC then I'd say the swamp start is so much easier than Terra the Devs should a ashamed of themselves making it that easy.

But the base game. Terra or Oceania. Where Oceania is the easiest because you'll have water coming out your....