BUG: Aquatuner

[DAN-di-WARhol]

Aquatuner operates at 600 degrees and breaks down at anything over 150. therefore it is completely unuseable.

[Angpaur]

It is not a bug. You just don't understand how to cool it.
Put it in a big pool of water and it won't overheat for a long time.

Also why you just didn't ask how to cool it, instead of beclowining yourself with this stupid accusation of it being a bug?

[Elidrin]

Hint: Put it underwater :) then go from there.

[DAN-di-WARhol]

Surely that'll heat the water... thus making it unuseable (since the purpose is to cool the water).

[rav]

aquatuner doesnt delete heat, it moves heat from the pipe content to its surroundings
it means you can move the heat far away, for example in a body of liquid since liquids have much higher thermal capacity than gases.

thats only temporary, you will still need to take care of the heat eventually but with enough water it can take a long time

there is also ways of heat deletion but you can look that up yourself, as its more complex.

[Punyrock]

Originally posted by DAN-di-WARhol:

Surely that'll heat the water... thus making it unuseable (since the purpose is to cool the water).

In layman's terms, water is really good at sucking heat away from the tuner.
Tuner get very hot very fast.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by DAN-di-WARhol:

Surely that'll heat the water... thus making it unuseable (since the purpose is to cool the water).

yes, so much so that water will state change into hot steam at about 100C or so.

then when you got steam turbines built over that to suck up any steam that gets to 125C or more, it'll take that steam and turn it back into 95C water. that water can keep a steam turbine from overheating itself and then keep the aquatuners cool by dumping it back onto them.

the circle of ONI thermodynamics.

end of the day OP, i suggest you look up a aquatuner guide on youtube that explains how to set one up proper. its all about heat exchange and moving all the heat energy to one spot, that is the aquatuners job. it pulls heat out of the fluids you want to use for things, and dumps that heat into fluids you dont care to use.

there are many ways to do this and varying setups build for specific purposes. you can do a self contained setup that simply recycles the same water over and and over again via turbines. you can make a setup that measures the air pressure and or temp and dumps waste fluids you dont care to filter like P water, salt water, and brine into the chamber to cool the tuners down, boil, and become pure water once again, onyl to go through the cooling loop of the tuners to perpetually keep them running.

[kocur4d]

All of the calculations are run in my head and this is written on a lap. So please focus on the context not actual numbers. Hope this will make it clear.

When aquatuner cool downs 10kg of water by 14 degrees it releases 585.000 units of heat.

That heat needs to go somewhere. ONI isnt perfect heat exchange simulator but it is OK.
So when you have aquatuner in oxygen which have 1.005 Specific Heat Capacity which means that one gram of oxygen will absorbs 1.005 of that 585.000 heat that was just released and it will increase its own temperature by 1 degree. Typically you have 1000 grams of oxygen in a square so you can absorb 1000 of that 585.000 units with a single square, so you need 585 squares of oxygen around aquatuner to increase the temperature of all that oxygen by one degree and absorb all the heat. Since this is not possible, to have 585 squares of oxygen around aquatuner, you are increasing, the one you have around it, by more then one degree, very rapidly. So everything is overheating.

So lets look at the water. Water have 4.179 Specific Heat Capacity and typically you can have 1000kg of water in a square which is 1000000 grams so one square of water can absorb over 4 million units of heat before the entire square will increase its temperature by one degree. Thats why we say that liquids have huge thermal mass comepred to gases.

so put aquatuner in 8 to 10 squares of cold water and it will run for many many cycles and few restarts for you non stop, without overheating. Then start thinking about cooling loops so you can cool the water cooling aquatuner so it will last for 100 cycles.

[Angelo Dante]

OP, don't feel bad. My first time trying to use an aquatuner I put it on mesh platform in the center of an ice biome. "Surely all this ice can suck up that heat" I said to myself. I made it from steel thinking it impervious to heat. I ran a radiant pipe loop behind my battery farm and natural gas power plant and piped the 140 F water to the aquatuner. It cooled the plant down quick enough, but not before the aquatuner reached a balmy 2100 degrees Farenheit and scalded anyone nearby. Its a wonder that I didnt just melt the thing down in the process.

Then I read on the wiki - put it in a fluid for better heat transfer. Imagine that - it worked great.

So trust me it's no bug. Just a very powerful heat pump.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Angelo Dante:

OP, don't feel bad. My first time trying to use an aquatuner I put it on mesh platform in the center of an ice biome. "Surely all this ice can suck up that heat" I said to myself. I made it from steel thinking it impervious to heat. I ran a radiant pipe loop behind my battery farm and natural gas power plant and piped the 140 F water to the aquatuner. It cooled the plant down quick enough, but not before the aquatuner reached a balmy 2100 degrees Farenheit and scalded anyone nearby. Its a wonder that I didnt just melt the thing down in the process.

Then I read on the wiki - put it in a fluid for better heat transfer. Imagine that - it worked great.

So trust me it's no bug. Just a very powerful heat pump.

i mean if you sealed the room off, pressurized it with hydrogen, it might exchange well enough if the hydrogen density is nice and high. and then the ice heats up from that, then it turns to water and steam. theoretically it could last for quite awhile like that.

[DAN-di-WARhol]

Thanks guys. That answers the problem.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by DAN-di-WARhol:

Surely that'll heat the water... thus making it unuseable (since the purpose is to cool the water).

No, it is the best way to cool any liquid. You place the Aquatuner in a sealed room with just water (with some crude oil or petroleum in the bottom). Above it you place a steam turbine and a water pipe that leads back to the steam chamber. As you heat the water the steam will drive the turbine which generates energy. This is how you remove heat.

[believor in Prawn]

Originally posted by DAN-di-WARhol:

Surely that'll heat the water... thus making it unuseable (since the purpose is to cool the water).

no, that isnt its purpose at all, it is a heat transfer, not a heat remover