Showers vs sinks/hand sanitizers

[Angpaur]

Showers can replace sinks/hand sanitizers and room still gets bathroom bonus. It removes germs and also gives additional bonus to morale due to showred effect. So I wonder how many of you decide to totally get rid of hand washing buildings if you can get better effects with showers?

[h_phodel]

But showers use up wayy more water than sinks,,,
plus i have squeaky pufts penned up with a chlorine vent so I get a constant supply of bleach stone

[Angpaur]

What do you mean that showers use up water? Is the water lost?
What about additional morale bonus benefit? The more morale dupes have then the higher chance they will get overjoyed reaction.

[gimmethegepgun]

Showers take much longer to use than sinks. They also don't force dupes to use them after using the lavatory so it won't reliably keep germs from getting spread around.

[Angpaur]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

Showers take much longer to use than sinks.

OK, this seems reasonable if you decide to not use showers at all. But if you use them then shouldn't you get rid of hand washing as it is wasted time?

[Dracuras]

As gimmethegepgun alluded to, showers are not prompted after bathroom use, they "may" use them but its not guaranteed. Sinks/hand sanitizer use is prompted by presence of germs. use showers if you feel you can afford the extra time for the morale bonus but keep sinks/sanitizers there for actually cleaning the germs off dupes.

[Angpaur]

Yes, there is also a problem that dupes prioritize eating over showering. But what if you force them to shower after using lavatory? Lavatory use always gives dupes germs so you need to clear them before dupes go eating. If you use shower for that you will get more morale, which I feel is more important.

[Hedning]

Showers don't have the little left and right arrows to force dupes to use them as they pass by so you would have to build some advanced system to accomplish this.

I don't know how rec buildings work, but if the shower last a cycle won't that prevent them from showering every cycle?

Is it even an efficient morale boost compared to the alternatives? It takes quite a bit longer than washing your hands.

[madcow]

Originally posted by Hedning:

I don't know how rec buildings work, but if the shower last a cycle won't that prevent them from showering every cycle?

Showers' morale effect lasts 0.83 cycles.

Ang, showers taking much longer would still keep me from using them for germs. I feel the shower a Dupe takes after they wake up gives them the bonus long enough to warrant just the one use for the effect.

For ease of setup as I dig out, I usually build a row of 6 handwashing stations at the entrance to slime biomes for the Dupes to wash after handling germs (I find this useful when multiple Dupes need to wash multiple times to clean up). After the biome is dug out and mats are stored as needed, I ditch wash stations and repeat on the next slime biome.

On a side note, making sure the shower is illuminated makes for a slightly faster shower.

[Angpaur]

Originally posted by Hedning:

Showers don't have the little left and right arrows to force dupes to use them as they pass by so you would have to build some advanced system to accomplish this.

It doesn't need to be advanced. Motion sensor plus 2 filter gates and not gate.
This is how I solved this:
https://youtu.be/YLwrgh8nCsg

Originally posted by Hedning:

I don't know how rec buildings work, but if the shower last a cycle won't that prevent them from showering every cycle?

Dupes needs to use lavatory every cycle and my concept is to replace hand washing after using it with showering. So yes, they need to shower every cycle and the fact that showered morale bonus lasts almost one cycle is quite convenient.

Originally posted by Hedning:

Is it even an efficient morale boost compared to the alternatives? It takes quite a bit longer than washing your hands.

This is a good question.
Showering lasts 15s and it gives +3 morale. If we consider 2 schedule segments to get as much morale as possible we are left with 35s.(for math simplicity I ignore here dupe travel times)

During that 35 seconds dupes can dance and use arcade cabinet, which in total will give +7 morale.

Using hand sanitizer lasts 2s so we have 48s to spend on getting morale. Arcade cabinet and jukebot each takes 14s so we still have 22s. And this is not enough to use other relaxation devices. For example espresso lasts 26s and soda fountain 30s. Other buildings are even longer to use.

[Angpaur]

Originally posted by madcow:

On a side note, making sure the shower is illuminated makes for a slightly faster shower.

Yes. It is a good idea. I have lights in bathrooms, relax room and in great hall, where some of my recreational buildings are.

[madcow]

I forgot to check, but iirc, the shower bonus goes away when the Dupe wakes up. Not sure if this is still the case. Its sorta why I only have bathtime when they wake. Should be easy to check (shower before sleep and check if buff is still there when they wake up).

[Angpaur]

Originally posted by madcow:

I forgot to check, but iirc, the shower bonus goes away when the Dupe wakes up. Not sure if this is still the case. Its sorta why I only have bathtime when they wake.

That is why my dupes downtime starts after they sleep. They go to lavatory and after that it is the perfect time to shower.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by Angpaur:

Showering lasts 15s and it gives +3 morale.

Wiki says it's 30s though I haven't checked for myself.

[Angpaur]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

Originally posted by Angpaur:

Showering lasts 15s and it gives +3 morale.

Wiki says it's 30s though I haven't checked for myself.

I checked. I always do before I make this kind of statements.

[Hedning]

Originally posted by madcow:

Showers' morale effect lasts 0.83 cycles.

That's convenient.

Originally posted by Angpaur:

It doesn't need to be advanced. Motion sensor plus 2 filter gates and not gate.
This is how I solved this:

Your video title and description does not match this topic, but I assume you plan on locking the dupes in after they used the toilet. I guess the word "advanced" is somewhat relative. Even what you describe is advanced compared to just clicking the toggle on the sink.