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Name Lips Jul 24, 2018 @ 7:57pm
Pacu
I read about the pacu meat farm (how you just need to breed up a big pile of pacu then you can stop feeding them and they'll still make 1 pacu each before they die, and leave a pile of meat.) So I'm trying to get a pacu farm up early so it'll pay off later.

I have 3 pacu trapped in a pool of polluted water (one baby, one adult who hasn't laid an egg yet, and an old one). I made a feeder, and they've been eating algae from it. I made a fish release in case I need it.

My questions are:
Does the room need to be a stable for the pacu to become tame?
Will the room being a stable increase the speed at which they become tame and/or the speed at which they lay eggs?
Is making a grooming station the only way to make their room a stable?
Originally posted by SKull:
No, not sure and yes. But they grow and reproduce quite quickly enough without it. And I don't think the ranchers actually go down in the water to groom pacus anyway, even if you do build a station. Or I am assuming that they don't without actually having tried it, because it seems so weird. They need to add some fishy equivalent to the grooming station before I'll do this I think. Whoever grooms fish anyway? It is silly.But I know that pacu become tame as long as they eat from feeders, and think that's all they need. In my last game I managed to pool a large amount of water in a cold biome I had emptied in order to mass breed gulp pacus. All there was was a ladder reaching to the bottom of a large lake and a fish feeder. And they all got tamed pretty quickly there, far away from my base.
It's just not practical to make stables for this because you want some space for them to get the numbers; certainly more than 96 tiles of space. That's barely a puddle and all my tanks are even larger than that normally. The lake was probably ten times that, if not more. I considered building a small room with a station at the bottom of the lake with the doors open, to see if it would be used. But I decided that it would be a poor use of my duplicants' time even if they would use it, and I never tried it.

The best way I've found is to breed them in one tank or lake until they frequently get the overcrowded modifier, and then remove the feeder and build one somewhere else. It's basically the cap on that particular body of water for how many fish there can be there. But you can place a feeder in every body of water you find with a fish in it if you want to keep it simple, basically moving the feeder from pool to pool. I am assuming here that they stop breeding further once they get the overcrowded modifier, although it is hard to count them at a certain point. Fry are particularly hard to spot. But as far as I know there is no benefit to feeding a stocked up pool, other than turning the algae into polluted dirt I suppose. But you're better off stocking up somewhere else then I think. Fish in a new pool will both produce dirt and increase their numbers for more meat long term, while the fish in the old pool will only produce dirt.

From my experience with the lake I am now wondering if gulps don't actually clean water if they are being fed. i had more than 20 of them and never once saw the gulping animation I have seen before while not feeding them algae. And I couldn't notice much of a difference in the quantity of clean water either. So they just might eat PH2O and produce clean H2O if they are hungry. Not sure though. Perhaps someone knows.
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SKull Jul 24, 2018 @ 8:25pm 
No, not sure and yes. But they grow and reproduce quite quickly enough without it. And I don't think the ranchers actually go down in the water to groom pacus anyway, even if you do build a station. Or I am assuming that they don't without actually having tried it, because it seems so weird. They need to add some fishy equivalent to the grooming station before I'll do this I think. Whoever grooms fish anyway? It is silly.But I know that pacu become tame as long as they eat from feeders, and think that's all they need. In my last game I managed to pool a large amount of water in a cold biome I had emptied in order to mass breed gulp pacus. All there was was a ladder reaching to the bottom of a large lake and a fish feeder. And they all got tamed pretty quickly there, far away from my base.
It's just not practical to make stables for this because you want some space for them to get the numbers; certainly more than 96 tiles of space. That's barely a puddle and all my tanks are even larger than that normally. The lake was probably ten times that, if not more. I considered building a small room with a station at the bottom of the lake with the doors open, to see if it would be used. But I decided that it would be a poor use of my duplicants' time even if they would use it, and I never tried it.

The best way I've found is to breed them in one tank or lake until they frequently get the overcrowded modifier, and then remove the feeder and build one somewhere else. It's basically the cap on that particular body of water for how many fish there can be there. But you can place a feeder in every body of water you find with a fish in it if you want to keep it simple, basically moving the feeder from pool to pool. I am assuming here that they stop breeding further once they get the overcrowded modifier, although it is hard to count them at a certain point. Fry are particularly hard to spot. But as far as I know there is no benefit to feeding a stocked up pool, other than turning the algae into polluted dirt I suppose. But you're better off stocking up somewhere else then I think. Fish in a new pool will both produce dirt and increase their numbers for more meat long term, while the fish in the old pool will only produce dirt.

From my experience with the lake I am now wondering if gulps don't actually clean water if they are being fed. i had more than 20 of them and never once saw the gulping animation I have seen before while not feeding them algae. And I couldn't notice much of a difference in the quantity of clean water either. So they just might eat PH2O and produce clean H2O if they are hungry. Not sure though. Perhaps someone knows.
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Name Lips Jul 24, 2018 @ 8:30pm 
Thanks!
SKull Jul 24, 2018 @ 8:52pm 
Any time. Not to step on any developer toes, but forget about the release. If you have just one fish in a pool you can stock up there with a feeder. If you want to breed something specific, only really meaningful with gulps, you can sweep any eggs of the other two variants and simply attack any of those that manage to hatch in there somehow anyway. You don't want to waste your algae breeding the wrong kind of fish I mean. The release is wasteful as long as it requires non-reusable plastic to construct traps in order to move even a single fish.
I have used traps when I have an empty pool that I want to stock. But usually you can get by simply by scanning the area above the pool and releasing any water there that contains fish into the tank you want stocked. "Keep it simple" is my motto!
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Prometheus Jul 24, 2018 @ 8:52pm 
Some additional info. Pacus are different from the other critters in a bunch of ways.

First is that it is literally impossible to keep up with feeding them long term. A single Pacu eats more algae per day than an entire ranch of Pufts can produce per day.

Second is that they won't die off if you stop feeding them. They will continue laying one egg per lifecycle when you stop feeding them.

So why feed them? They lay eggs much faster when fed. The usefulness of Pacus is that for an initial cost you can set them up and get thier population established. After that they will keep laying one egg per lifecycle then dying and leaving meat behind. Its a constant source of meat with only an upfront cost.
Demon777 Jul 25, 2018 @ 6:03am 
Aahhh! The good ol days when i Finished turning 1/4 of my map for a titanic water tank! Then the cosmic update just go live! T T the pain were
unbearable!
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