Cooling my base with hydrogen or patroleum

[Fulgrim]

I want to build a cooling system using wheezeworts, for a low energy solution. I seem to have a choice though.

I was going to pump hydrogen into a room with wheezeworts, then pump that hydrogen around the spine of my base.

However, I wonder if it's worth going a step further by using liquid pipes inside the hydrogen room, filled with patroleum and pump that around instead.

This is a wheezeworts only solution so I don't know if patroleum could be cooled fast enough that way, and I don't know if it would really make a lot of difference. Any thoughts?

[Lifepath [CdE]]

Well i would say you can do it with Hydrogen. It is efficient in the sense it will translate heat really fast. Petroleum is slower. The advantage of petroleum is reduced electricity consumption as you can make travel 10x more liquid than gaz with the same 240W pump.

[Fulgrim]

Originally posted by Lifepath:

Well i would say you can do it with Hydrogen. It is efficient in the sense it will translate heat really fast. Petroleum is slower. The advantage of petroleum is reduced electricity consumption as you can make travel 10x more liquid than gaz with the same 240W pump.

Thanks, I'd assume though to distribute the coolant relatively evenly the pump would need to work constantly anyway?

[Lifepath [CdE]]

You can have a valve to drip lower quantities saving a lot of electricity

[Ellip]

Gas and liquids have different mass which means it's easier to heat and cool down gas then liquids especially with wheezeworts.

If you are trying to make a cooling room with wheezeworts don't bother piping liquid through it because it'll barely make a dent in the temperature. Liquid pipes contain 10kg of liquids in each segment while gas only contains 1kg which means it's a lot easier to cool a gas then a liquid with wheezeworts.

If you want to use liquids as a coolant, you'll need a thermo aquatuner as it will cool liquid a lot faster and easier.

[Lifepath [CdE]]

You can use liquids as you would use gases. You can simply have it run at 1kg/s then it will get cooled eventually. Not as fast sure. But it will be cooling for a longer time too.
Eventually the amount of heat you remove with a weezwort or an AETN is the same.

[voxdei20]

2 rooms. 1 filled with hydrogen and wheezeworts with tempshift plates to the second room that has your O2 generation. Then pump your chilled O2 to your base. Got AC :D.

[Angpaur]

Originally posted by Orolyn:

Thanks, I'd assume though to distribute the coolant relatively evenly the pump would need to work constantly anyway?

Try to look for solutions that doesn't use pumps at all. You can use pump initially but later a closed loop of coolant is the best solution. All it takes is to pump coolant to a reservoir and then you don't need to use pump - reservoir will loop it contents through pipes connected to itself in closed system.

Regarding cooling with petroleum - it is doable but you need to use a valve to limit liquid packets to a maximum cooling capacity of your cold hydrogen room. This depends how many wheezworts you want to place there. You can use my heat calculator[www.oni-heat-calc.cba.pl] to calculate that. For examle if you want to cool the petroleum to 30C and it enters the room at 50C then you need to use 9 wheezworts and limit packets to 3kg or use 29 wheezworts at full pipe capacity of 10kg/s
Here is a link to the calculations: http://www.oni-heat-calc.cba.pl/?mt1=liquids&m1=Petroleum&t1=50&mm1=3&st=1&tt=30&wa=Hydrogen

[Fulgrim]

Originally posted by angpaur:

Try to look for solutions that doesn't use pumps at all. You can use pump initially but later a closed loop of coolant is the best solution. All it takes is to pump coolant to a reservoir and then you don't need to use pump - reservoir will loop it contents through pipes connected to itself in closed system.

Only a gas reservoir? thats interesting, then would i just put a couple of wheezeworts next to it?
I've built my cooling system, its a simple room filled with hygrogen, a pump, vent, and 6 wheezeworts.

As far as cooling goes, it seems to be doing ok, already knocked a few degrees off here and there, but it is a bit of a complicated and immutable system. Does a reservoir really work?

[Ellip]

You don't even need a gas reservoir, a gas bridge will do just as well since there's an input and output which is what's important since that's what keeps the gas circulating. This also works for a liquid close loop as well.

[Fulgrim]

Originally posted by Ellip:

You don't even need a gas reservoir, a gas bridge will do just as well since there's an input and output which is what's important since that's what keeps the gas circulating. This also works for a liquid close loop as well.

OK but then how do you cool the gas if its just a closed loop like that?

[Ellip]

You pipe one section into a cooling room with radiant pipes, either into tank of cold water or hydrogen room cooled with wheezeworts.

[Fulgrim]

Originally posted by Ellip:

You pipe one section into a cooling room with radiant pipes, either into tank of cold water or hydrogen room cooled with wheezeworts.

oh i see, so this is primarily to save energy. gotcha

[Ellip]

Yup, no additional energy or space required since a gas reservoirs required space. I use both gas and liquid cooling which are both pump into the same water tank because you can stack liquid and gas pipes on top of each other. Saves a lot of space and all the heat goes into one area.

[Angpaur]

Originally posted by Orolyn:

Only a gas reservoir?

This is something I've never said. This applies to both gas and liquids

Originally posted by Orolyn:

thats interesting, then would i just put a couple of wheezeworts next to it?

Reservoirs are very well isolated. You need to use a radiator of pipes to transfer heat out/to your coolant.

Originally posted by Ellip:

You don't even need a gas reservoir, a gas bridge will do just as well since there's an input and output which is what's important since that's what keeps the gas circulating. This also works for a liquid close loop as well.

Indeed bridge is enough but it won't do as well as resrvoir and won't be so easy to set up. Reservoir works also as a buffer and it makes sure that there are always full packets flowing in pipes. This could be tricky to setup with a loop using bridge only. Especially for new players.

[Ellip]

Originally posted by angpaur:

Indeed bridge is enough but it won't do as well as resrvoir and won't be so easy to set up. Reservoir works also as a buffer and it makes sure that there are always full packets flowing in pipes. This could be tricky to setup with a loop using bridge only. Especially for new players.

It's no different from a system with a reservoir, you just substitute the reservoir for 1 bridge since you just need an input and output to keep the gas moving.

Also since this is a closed loop, you shouldn't need a buffer since once you put in the amount of gas you want you should be removing the outside gas input so the system can run without backing up. In fact you should be leaving a little bit of space in the pipe system so the packets can smoothly continue moving.

This setup is the easiest for new players to set up since there's nothing complicated about it as it's all pipes in a loop with 1 bridge connecting the ends together. Once you know how to do it you can then add cooling in room like suggested above.