Digging out hot biomes quickly?

[andy-scull]

Just had this thought - if I go and completely dig out caustic biome nearby, wouldn't it help my future heat management? I noticed that if you dig out a tile you get only 1/2 mass as resource, so that's literally deleting 1/2 stored heat on the spot. Then idk, store all that stone in ice biome and let it melt naturally without digging out ice...
Anyone tried it? Is it too much work for too little gain, considering I'll dig out that biome eventually later in midgame?

[believor in Prawn]

Originally posted by andy-scull:

Just had this thought - if I go and completely dig out caustic biome nearby, wouldn't it help my future heat management? I noticed that if you dig out a tile you get only 1/2 mass as resource, so that's literally deleting 1/2 stored heat on the spot. Then idk, store all that stone in ice biome and let it melt naturally without digging out ice...
Anyone tried it? Is it too much work for too little gain, considering I'll dig out that biome eventually later in midgame?

really not worth it, plus you want the ice biome for cooling and the majority of your heat comes from your industry

[Bokonon]

I agree with the second reply. You will lose half the heat due to losing half the material. Personally I'm not much for sweeping outside my main base (I leave stuff around and build from what's available locally) but if it's too hot to leave around, rather than slowly destroy an ice biome I'd find another way to lose the heat. Water + steam turbine would be my choice.

[believor in Prawn]

Originally posted by deansdw17:

ive tried and in fact do half of what you describe. it is not worth transporting to an ice biome but definitely worth digging out.
as you said the mass will be halved thus the heat you need to cool/transfer/delete/whatever will be halved. i personally leave most debris where it falls.
when i do sweep it i use automatic dispensers set to everything sweep only and just gather all debris into 1 tile. cuts down lag.....you do you
after you dig the area out may build a line of tempshift plates made of ice that will cool an area down nicely early game.

and why exactly do you want to cool something that isnt part of your base?

[believor in Prawn]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

I agree with the second reply. You will lose half the heat due to losing half the material. Personally I'm not much for sweeping outside my main base (I leave stuff around and build from what's available locally) but if it's too hot to leave around, rather than slowly destroy an ice biome I'd find another way to lose the heat. Water + steam turbine would be my choice.

using the ice from an ice biome really isnt destroying it, eatting the wheezeworts does however

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by believer in prawn:

Originally posted by Bokonon:

I agree with the second reply. You will lose half the heat due to losing half the material. Personally I'm not much for sweeping outside my main base (I leave stuff around and build from what's available locally) but if it's too hot to leave around, rather than slowly destroy an ice biome I'd find another way to lose the heat. Water + steam turbine would be my choice.

using the ice from an ice biome really isnt destroying it, eatting the wheezeworts does however

Dude please ... what is your problem? Putting a bunch of hot stuff in an ice biome will melt it. Wheezeworts cool a tiny amount and are easily overwhelmed.

Stop arguing just to argue.

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by believer in prawn:

Originally posted by deansdw17:

ive tried and in fact do half of what you describe. it is not worth transporting to an ice biome but definitely worth digging out.
as you said the mass will be halved thus the heat you need to cool/transfer/delete/whatever will be halved. i personally leave most debris where it falls.
when i do sweep it i use automatic dispensers set to everything sweep only and just gather all debris into 1 tile. cuts down lag.....you do you
after you dig the area out may build a line of tempshift plates made of ice that will cool an area down nicely early game.

and why exactly do you want to cool something that isnt part of your base?

It's snide comments like "why exactly" that are bothering people ... you're not honestly asking, you're being annoying. It doesn't matter why, and deansdw17 is under no obligation to explain to you anyway. Stop trolling.

[andy-scull]

Melting an ice biome is exactly what I want - I make use of full ice mass at as a coolant and get lot of water in the end. I had experienced something like that in one of my games where volcano erupted on top of ice biome and dumped magma right into it... I liked it :)

Though I had another thought - maybe I'll just dump all hot rocks somewhere in vacuum and forget about them. Afaik they can only transfer heat to gas or storage, not the surface they're lying on

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by andy-scull:

Melting an ice biome is exactly what I want - I make use of full ice mass at as a coolant and get lot of water in the end. I had experienced something like that in one of my games where volcano erupted on top of ice biome and dumped magma right into it... I liked it :)

Though I had another thought - maybe I'll just dump all hot rocks somewhere in vacuum and forget about them. Afaik they can only transfer heat to gas or storage, not the surface they're lying on

Vacuum works to isolate the heat. That's a lot of potential energy though, either to help you melt the ice or to turn to steam and use the turbine. But yeah, you're on the right track.

[Shame]

Losing half the resources doesn't make sense in the first place, to be fair. Making it so you get all the resources by melting something, if you want the actual value is a pain in the ass in a game where you are supposed to take way too long to do anything regardless, why have they done it like this?

[andy-scull]

Originally posted by Shame:

Losing half the resources doesn't make sense in the first place, to be fair. Making it so you get all the resources by melting something, if you want the actual value is a pain in the ass in a game where you are supposed to take way too long to do anything regardless, why have they done it like this?

Iirc there was a mod that made digging drop the full mass of the tile. Not sure if it's compatible with latest patch though, but I considered installing it once

[Hedning]

Originally posted by Shame:

Losing half the resources doesn't make sense in the first place, to be fair. Making it so you get all the resources by melting something, if you want the actual value is a pain in the ass in a game where you are supposed to take way too long to do anything regardless, why have they done it like this?

Probably because they wanted they wanted more thermal mass while still balancing the resources somewhat. Take igneous rock for example. A tile is at most 400kg to build and you are not building solid blocks of tiles like the natural rock is. Without some resource deletion you would have way too much debris.

[Hedning]

Originally posted by andy-scull:

Just had this thought - if I go and completely dig out caustic biome nearby, wouldn't it help my future heat management? I noticed that if you dig out a tile you get only 1/2 mass as resource, so that's literally deleting 1/2 stored heat on the spot. Then idk, store all that stone in ice biome and let it melt naturally without digging out ice...
Anyone tried it? Is it too much work for too little gain, considering I'll dig out that biome eventually later in midgame?

You will dig out it eventually, so why rush? The heat is not going to bother you if you use insulated tiles to block it.

[Strygald]

Originally posted by andy-scull:

Afaik they can only transfer heat to gas or storage, not the surface they're lying on

Not sure why you think that, objects lying on a solid surface will transfer heat even in vacuum.

[Hedning]

Maybe he saw someone use airflow or mesh tiles in vacuum. The game thinks the entire tile is vacuum so it doesn't transfer heat.

[believor in Prawn]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Originally posted by believer in prawn:

using the ice from an ice biome really isnt destroying it, eatting the wheezeworts does however

Dude please ... what is your problem? Putting a bunch of hot stuff in an ice biome will melt it. Wheezeworts cool a tiny amount and are easily overwhelmed.

Stop arguing just to argue.

what i said was true, you want to not destroy the wheezeworts so they can continue to slightly cool things for no price and move the ice out of there, i never said anything about putting hot stuff in it. stop arguing just to argue