Any Tips for trying to understand Automation?

[Arieth]

Because, Automation is just alien to me.
I understand NOTHING about it.

[fluxtorrent]

it's mostly binary until you start working with memory toggles.

each sensor will send a signal, on or off.
Each item that takes a signal will go into either on or off state depending on which signal it gets.

Gates are just that, a gateway that decides which signal to send based on whats coming in

NOT gate sends the reverse of the signal its getting
OR sends a on signal as long as one of its inputs gets an on signal
AND only sends an on signal if all its inputs are on


play with those for now until you are comfortable with them then tackle the filter and buffer gates.

Then once you get how those work move on to XOR and MEMORY ones.

[Arieth]

Thank you fluxtorrent.

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

Then once you get how those work move on to XOR and MEMORY ones.

XOR should be super easy to understand as well. OP, it's an "exclusive or" meaning if one input or the other is green it sends green but if BOTH inputs are green it sends red. Regular OR would send green if both were green.

[Just a dog]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

it's mostly binary until you start working with memory toggles.

What's not binary about a 1 bit memory toggle exactly? xD
And why avoid XOR?

Just google the gate name and look for a truth table and you're set:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XOR_gate

INPUT OUTPUT
A B A XOR B
0 0 0
0 1 1
1 0 1
1 1 0

It's standard binary logic, Green = 1, Red = 0

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by KucheKlizma:

It's standard binary logic, Green = 1, Red = 0

Not everyone understands binary logic.

[Just a dog]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Originally posted by KucheKlizma:

It's standard binary logic, Green = 1, Red = 0

Not everyone understands binary logic.

Too bad for you then....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4TPlwwHM8Q

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by KucheKlizma:

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Not everyone understands binary logic.

Too bad for you then....

Why post on a thread of someone looking for help if you're not going to help?

[Just a dog]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Originally posted by KucheKlizma:

Too bad for you then....

Why post on a thread of someone looking for help if you're not going to help?

I'm sorry are YOU looking for help? What's the problem?
Maybe you should make your own thread and not hijack other peoples'?

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by KucheKlizma:

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Why post on a thread of someone looking for help if you're not going to help?

I'm sorry are YOU looking for help? What's the problem?
Maybe you should make your own thread and not hijack other peoples'?

Dude, relax, all I did was say that not everyone understands binary. I didn't say what you posted was wrong or anything to get all offended about ...

[GoForTopher]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Originally posted by KucheKlizma:

I'm sorry are YOU looking for help? What's the problem?
Maybe you should make your own thread and not hijack other peoples'?

Dude, relax, all I did was say that not everyone understands binary. I didn't say what you posted was wrong or anything to get all offended about ...

It's 1s and 0s it's super simple. It's either on or off, green or red, yes or no, light switch flipped up or down. Very simple to grasp the basic idea of binary.

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by GoForTopher:

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Dude, relax, all I did was say that not everyone understands binary. I didn't say what you posted was wrong or anything to get all offended about ...

It's 1s and 0s it's super simple. It's either on or off, green or red, yes or no, light switch flipped up or down. Very simple to grasp the basic idea of binary.

Indeed it is very simple, and fluxtorrent laid it out pretty well earlier. How does any of this negate the fact that not everyone understands binary? Ask any random person on the street about XOR gates, how many will know what they are much less what they do?

[holy-death]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

How does any of this negate the fact that not everyone understands binary? Ask any random person on the street about XOR gates, how many will know what they are much less what they do?

I'd argue that people have the potential to understand binary, but they need a method of learning that will enable them to do that. That's the most difficult part, not the binary as such.

Here is a quote from Dune, which pretty much sums up what I am trying to say:

Muad'Dib learned rapidly because his first training was in how to learn. And the first lesson of all was the basic trust that he could learn. It's shocking to find how many people do not believe they can learn, and how many more believe learning to be difficult.

[Just a dog]

Originally posted by Bokonon:

Originally posted by GoForTopher:

It's 1s and 0s it's super simple. It's either on or off, green or red, yes or no, light switch flipped up or down. Very simple to grasp the basic idea of binary.

Indeed it is very simple, and fluxtorrent laid it out pretty well earlier. How does any of this negate the fact that not everyone understands binary? Ask any random person on the street about XOR gates, how many will know what they are much less what they do?

I would say most people on the street would tell you they know what XOR is and that it's just exclusive OR. You're severely underestimating people if you automatically assume everyone is stupid. I'd understand if YOU don't understand binary and you want to, but asking for other people, who might not even exist or visit this forum is meaningless. Not to mention there's a plethora of information on the subject in both ordinary school and online.

[僕の名前 (仮)]

NOT can be used on pipes with liquid or gas shut-off to pass everything except one element, AND gate can be used with pressure + gas element sensor, buffer gate can be used with atmo or temperature sensors so they're not immediatelly disabled after they become red, it's to reduce on/off spam for sensors like when you set pressure to >900 and it become 895 then 900 then 895 again, etc, also buffer could be used with buttons so door or checkpoint remain open for few seconds after it pressed.

Timer could be used to switch off lights when dupes are not working.

Germ sensor to disable gas pump or close doors to that area.

Atmo sensors are useful with pumps to save energy and reduce used wattage to not overload system. So they only work when there lot of gas. Especially with gas filter that's too expensive.

Signal switch with power shut-off is similar to power switch but you dont need to redesign your wires (that just looks better that way)

The most useful is smart battery connected to power plants to switch them off when battery is full. If you dont do that, they waste lot of energy. And can even be useful for hamster wheels set on yellow alery, so you dont have to manually cancel/add yellow alert every time.

Hydro sensor could be used if you want maintain specific level of water in pool, like if you have waterweed plants, disable pipe (liquid shut-off) so they're not get flooded, and enable pipe if water level below. Or disable pump when there's too little water in pool.

I didnt use anything else yet.

[fluxtorrent]

I would advise someone just learning it to avoid XOR or memory initially because it isn't necessary for simple operations. While it's not "super" complicated, its much easier for them to tackle it after they get the hang of the simple binary operations.

And no, "most people" do not know what XOR is. Assuming they do AND assuming they would have to be stupid "not" to know shows a very limited world view there Kuche. Hell learning it isn't even on the required syllabus in most countries education programs yet. It's certainly in the optional courses but electronics are hardly a required course to be "smart".