Is ethanol even worth it?

[rav]

So i did some quick math and to have a petroleum generator running on ethanol it takes 4 distillers, it takes about 5 carbon skimmers to delete all the co2 produced by the distillers + generator + i add a liquid pump for the pwater makes ~1,8kw consumed and the generator produces 2kw

Plus it produces a lot of heat.

Am i missing something or is this horribly ineffective?

[fractalgem]

Well, one easy optomization is to feed the co2 to slickers or vent it into space. That'll save you a bit on sand too, and probably help keep things cool to boot.

[Ellip]

Depending on the map it totally is. Some maps like verdante and arboria need it because of the low amount of starting water you have and this could be the key to extending your water along with toilets. Also it's almost free in that most of the trees are wild and there are a lot of them so you have plenty of lumber without the water requirement.

Its definately not for power only since you have to look at the alternate resources it gives. CO2 is not a bad thing since you use as a way to transform water into the much more useful polluted water.

Depending on your experience heat can be easily delt with using the polluted water you get from the generator and the extra cooling can be use elsewhere as needed.

[snuggleform]

It may be the best option given the traits/resources on your asteroid. It's a tempting mistake to do "simple math" disregarding availability of the resources themselves. Maybe it's a terrible option if you can't even get trees to begin with, and maybe it's your saving grace if you can't find coal.

[Gamefever]

Originally posted by rav:

So i did some quick math and to have a petroleum generator running on ethanol it takes 4 distillers, it takes about 5 carbon skimmers to delete all the co2 produced by the distillers + generator + i add a liquid pump for the pwater makes ~1,8kw consumed and the generator produces 2kw

Plus it produces a lot of heat.

Am i missing something or is this horribly ineffective?

If your using it for electricity the answer is yes,

Since for the most part easy electricity is from the Dupes themselves running on wheels, youtubers call it Dupe Training for a reason, it actually makes them faster.
They build gyms and make the new Dupes power the equipement they need.

IF you need the outputs than its worth doing, thats about the sum of it.

[Gamefever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elLxH28tLEo

[rav]

thanks for the tips

[cainboy]

Just because I didn't see it mentioned here, on top of the other things you can do with it, strictly speaking regards to the power gains:

You can use an automation gas compressor to deal with CO2, eliminating power draw from scrubbers. *(maybe give it to slicksters/toss into space, point is you can deal with it for 0 power)
Lead is an abundant refined metal, and tuning up the generator means you can get 1,000W per 5kg of lead, per generator.
1Pump can pump the PW from multiple generators, and only draws power when it works.
Smart battery means you wont burn ethanol for 0 power gain.

By being smart with power, and effecient with what you generate, a few ethanol generators can power a LOT, Tho these tips kind of apply to every generator, so maybe that's why no one mentioned it. :/

[L37]

Also speaking of CO2... is there any downside of doing this?:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1828436514

They work just fine in few T/tile pressure, sure automation eats some power too, but it also frees dupe time...

[Prometheus]

Originally posted by L37:

Also speaking of CO2... is there any downside of doing this?:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1828436514

They wirk just fine in few T/tile pressure, sure automation eats some power too, but it also frees dupe time...

Air pressure will break the tiles and gas will spill out eventually.

[L37]

Originally posted by Promethian:

Air pressure will break the tiles and gas will spill out eventually.

Does gas pressure affect tiles though? Never seen it happen.

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by L37:

Originally posted by Promethian:

Air pressure will break the tiles and gas will spill out eventually.

Does gas pressure affect tiles though? Never seen it happen.

There is such mechanic, but I experienced it only in sandbox mode wile I was testing liquid oxygen that turned to gas state. In normal game, you will never amass so much gas to even see it.

[L37]

Originally posted by The Tempted Man:

There is such mechanic, but I experienced it only in sandbox mode wile I was testing liquid oxygen that turned to gas state. In normal game, you will never amass so much gas to even see it.

Or is there? If there is, why would it be set to such ridiculously high numbers noone will ever encounter?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1828489977
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1828490053

Waited for few cycles just to be sure....

[Bokonon]

Originally posted by L37:

Originally posted by The Tempted Man:

There is such mechanic, but I experienced it only in sandbox mode wile I was testing liquid oxygen that turned to gas state. In normal game, you will never amass so much gas to even see it.

Or is there? If there is, why would it be set to such ridiculously high numbers noone will ever encounter?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1828489977
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1828490053

Waited for few cycles just to be sure....

Wow, that's a lot of pressure! I've not seen a number that big anywhere in ONI till now.