using space to cool pipes

[jballar]

The complexities of this game just keep coming, in a good way.

So I finally have a base built to the point where I was needing to cool water down, so I was in search of a frozen biome. I found one fairly close, and to my surprise it was next to the space biome. I started running my pipes through the frozen biome, but it was not cooling the water fast enough, so I decided to break through into the space biome.

After some trial and error for working in space for the first time, I looped around my pipe, made some of it radiant pipe, put tempshift plates around the radiant pipes, and nothing. It did not cool the pipes down at all.

So, does the material the pipe is made of make a difference because of its thermo conductivity, or is space not effective in cooling pipes?

I know about aquatuners, ice boxes, etc... but I am slow with the mechanics of the game, so I am not there yet. I just got my first SPOM working, and my first steam vent using a steam turbine.

[Ellip]

Vacuum is a perfect insulator and space is all vacuum so you can't use it to cool anything. The only way to use it to cool is to heat up a gas or liquid and throw that to space to be deleted. You're better off with a aquaturner/steam turbine if you want to cool since at least you can use the excess heat for some power.

[AquaX]

You can also use the AETN that tend to exist in ice biomes to delete heat.

[Romeo Deluxe]

AETN was made rare. You might find one there but good chance that is not an option.

[Jarcionek]

Originally posted by Romeo Deluxe:

AETN was made rare. You might find one there but good chance that is not an option.

Most maps have 3 AETNs. I have seen 2-3 maps that didn't have any - no clue why.

[The Tempted Man]

AETN is a building, with mods, as well, so no need to rely on RNG

[Nibbs]

Just to clarify, Oni only models conductive heat, there is no energy emission as light, and there are no convection currents either. So the vacuum of space has nothing to conduct the heat away. Radiant piping in this merely means the pipes have little conductive insulation to the gas/water the pipe is running through. You might be able to delete heat by exchanging it into carbon dioxide, and venting that into space, or possibly by exchanging it into hydrogen, which you consume in Hydrogen generators, if you can't find a thermal entropy nullifier building.

[SamuraiJones]

Yea, vacuum insulates.

Aquatuner + turbine is you long-term cooling solution if you've the power (I power my aquatuners exclusively from solar -- they don't always run, but they don't drain my fossil fuels). Don't overlook wheezeworts either... they're quite effective.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by SamuraiJones:

Yea, vacuum insulates.

Aquatuner + turbine is you long-term cooling solution if you've the power (I power my aquatuners exclusively from solar -- they don't always run, but they don't drain my fossil fuels). Don't overlook wheezeworts either... they're quite effective.

yeah wheezeworts are supposed to work well in hydrogen yeah? i'd just setup a network of em in a hydrogen room and pipe fluids and gasses through it when they get hot a few times. materials wise probably not efficient but, a place to keep and eliminate heat is always handy.

[Dschinghis Pan]

"heat" is basically "kinetic energy of particles" (well it's a bit more complicated) - particles can only "cool down" by transferring that energy to something else, via collision.
As there is no matter in space, no collision will happen, thus no cooling. The idea of space beeing cold, is a hollywood-myth. In space water wouldn't freeze, but evaporate because of the lack of pressure. So if you would be exposed to vacuum, you would feel like cold boiling.

One thing you can do with space is dump hot stuff there - because any tile with space exposure will delete liquids and gas at a rapid rate. Like 10kg per second or so.
However what you dump there, is gone. So don't dump anything you can't sustain.

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by Dschinghis Pan:

"heat" is basically "kinetic energy of particles" (well it's a bit more complicated) - particles can only "cool down" by transferring that energy to something else, via collision.
As there is no matter in space, no collision will happen, thus no cooling. The idea of space beeing cold, is a hollywood-myth. In space water wouldn't freeze, but evaporate because of the lack of pressure. So if you would be exposed to vacuum, you would feel like cold boiling.

One thing you can do with space is dump hot stuff there - because any tile with space exposure will delete liquids and gas at a rapid rate. Like 10kg per second or so.
However what you dump there, is gone. So don't dump anything you can't sustain.

Building on this, one idea is if you want to have cooler output from it, but don't mind less output as well, you could use part of the output to cool the other part, and then when the first part gets too high, space it.

[Angela™]

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

Originally posted by SamuraiJones:

Yea, vacuum insulates.

Aquatuner + turbine is you long-term cooling solution if you've the power (I power my aquatuners exclusively from solar -- they don't always run, but they don't drain my fossil fuels). Don't overlook wheezeworts either... they're quite effective.

yeah wheezeworts are supposed to work well in hydrogen yeah? i'd just setup a network of em in a hydrogen room and pipe fluids and gasses through it when they get hot a few times. materials wise probably not efficient but, a place to keep and eliminate heat is always handy.

Yup.

From the top of my head, they delete 12 KDTU/s when submerged in hydrogen, but less efficient in other gasses (i think carbon was least efficient)

If you find a AETN, box it in double insulated with 4 wheezeworts or however many you want to fit in there, with diamond tempshiftplates, submerge in hydrogen with a max pressure vent, snake radiant anything through it, isolated in / out, set up something to feed phosphorite to wheezeworts and laugh as the heat death of the universe is apparant on a real time scale.

Similar setups (sans AETN) work perfectly fine, but you're going to need to use high conductivity tempshift as well (aluminum, thermium if you have it) to pull heat fast and buffer with traditional stuff.

And lastly, if you want to go super low / zero maintenance, gather every wheezewort on the map, set up a pip farm and let them play around with the seeds. Dig them back up if the placement is unsatisfactory, but this is only 25% as efficient and completely random.

As for using space itself to cool things off, if you've alread secured an infinite source of water (steam vents, geysers, etc) you can use the water to buffer heat, and when it gets too hot, simply dump it all into space.

[VTitanV]

Originally posted by Jarcionek:

Originally posted by Romeo Deluxe:

AETN was made rare. You might find one there but good chance that is not an option.

Most maps have 3 AETNs. I have seen 2-3 maps that didn't have any - no clue why.

Same as you. I currently have 1 on my current map though.

[Underlaw]

The best way to colldonw things are expending energy to force a difference of temperature, with aquatunner or gas coller, than vacuum the heat deposit thru space. Ofc this metod you will need some material to dispense, the heat deposit must be liquefy or evaporate to be sucked by space vacuum. You can cheat the physics too, destroing heat feeding in farm or something like that, but i dont like fells im cheating the beloved physics.

[Jarcionek]

Since Pips were added and creation of wild farms became possible, water is no longer needed for food. The only thing that water is needed for is electrolyzer - 1 kg/s per ~8 duplicants. Water pumped into oil wells is mostly recovered. And from all geysers and vents you are likely going to have 20 kg/s of water.

So don't be afraid to heat water up and just throw it out into space.

What I often do when building in space is to cover heat generated buildings in a thin layer of polluted water. At 120C it will turn into steam and evaporate, while the hydro sensor will trigger the pipe shut off to add new water in.

If you want to make the most out of it, build buildings from Thermium and vent the steam only when it reaches 950C. The amount of heat you can store in steam that way is huge.

Remember that space exposure deletes liquids at 10 kg/s rate, but gases at 100 g/s.

[Katarn]

I vent hot water and other gases into space because i still have to isolate most of my geyers and haven't even started with making plastic or have large energy net.

Also i use polluted water geyser to cool my 2 Steel water coolers by placing them next to the geyser. I use cermanic pipes to move the cooled water to my base and then radiation pipes to soak up heat before using it for my plants/farm.

I also use/used my hot (poluted) water to cooldown a steam Geyser water a bit before letting it be deleted in space..

Also you can probably just crush some raw iron to get some iron and then make steel.
You lose like 50% but if you just use it for coolers its not a big loss.

PS Cooling water is easier the cooling air imho