I ran out of igneous rock!?!

[Hedning]

So on my current playthrough I'm playing on Arboria and because it is kind of a "nature asteroid" I wasn't going to dig more than I needed to build. Also since burgers are now the best food I went quite heavy on the hatch ranching rather than farming. This combination caused me to run out of igneous rock, something I thought I would never ever do. I'm quite sad I will have to retire some hatch farms :'(

Here's the living area of the base:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1847292128

[Dark Helmet]

you can feed the hatchs with mushrooms, they eat only 0.2kg per cycle if im right

[Nurgus]

yeah i feel you, my igneous rock count is 0 atm aswell :)

[Hedning]

Originally posted by ¥ Noldaz ¥:

you can feed the hatchs with mushrooms, they eat only 0.2kg per cycle if im right

This does not work for 3 reasons:
1 I'm on Arboria so all the sime I have is from the slime molds trait.
2 I'm on arboria so no fungal spores except from the printing pod
3 The point is to not dig for resources, so that would include not digging slime. There's plenty of igneous rock in the ground to dig.

Originally posted by Nurgus:

yeah i feel you, my igneous rock count is 0 atm aswell :)

How did you manage that?

[Tenebrais]

Do your restrictions allow you to explore and try to find a minor volcano, or the magma in the core?

[Hedning]

Yes, that is an option and I have found one, but I haven't been tapping it because I never thought running out of igneous rock was a thing. I was building some insulated tiles and there was no igneous rock. I was like what is going on, did I lose path finding or something? So I checked my storage and it was empty. Completely taken by surprise.

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by Hedning:

Originally posted by ¥ Noldaz ¥:

you can feed the hatchs with mushrooms, they eat only 0.2kg per cycle if im right

This does not work for 3 reasons:
1 I'm on Arboria so all the sime I have is from the slime molds trait.
2 I'm on arboria so no fungal spores except from the printing pod
3 The point is to not dig for resources, so that would include not digging slime. There's plenty of igneous rock in the ground to dig.

Originally posted by Nurgus:

yeah i feel you, my igneous rock count is 0 atm aswell :)

How did you manage that?

First off, hatches eat a lot more than just stone. They also eat more than mushrooms too.

Arborea has mealworms in bulk. This isn't necessarily for the dupes, this is a way to transform dirt into food via several processes including hatches. They do in fact eat mealworms, and you can even grow them in the stables with them. Just leave them on the ground when you harvest.

You'll also want mealworms for your dreckos. Oil isn't guaranteed on arborea, in fact I'm pretty sure it's guaranteed not to be there without modifications, so your plastic will come from dreckos most likely.

Things to keep in mind though, you will probably have CO2 issues even with all the oxyferns. They don't reduce CO2 very well, they just reverse the respiration process of a dupe, and it takes 3.2 of them to equal one dupe. Even coal power will cause CO2 buildup. For this I suggest looking for some slickster eggs in the printing pod. Build them an insulated room and pipe all of your excess CO2 to there. They may starve a bit, but once you have wood power running, that creates crap tons of food for them. Also don't try wood power without them, or you'll suffocate in your over-pressurized CO2 atmosphere.

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by Tenebrais:

Do your restrictions allow you to explore and try to find a minor volcano, or the magma in the core?

Never found a volcano on Arborea yet. Not saying they don't exist, but they seem rare. Might be some in the core as it's a normal molten one, but it's weird as I've never found oil down there.

[Hedning]

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

You'll also want mealworms for your dreckos. Oil isn't guaranteed on arborea, in fact I'm pretty sure it's guaranteed not to be there without modifications, so your plastic will come from dreckos most likely.

Check the screenshot. Do you think I got all that plastic from dreckos? I have two oil wells.

Mealwood may be an option. I have no experience with feeding food to hatches though so I don't know how much they'll eat. I have 280t dirt, but I'm feeding all pdirt to pokeshells for the lime, so I'm not getting more. Also I'm kind of set up for coal power until I get my sour gas boiler up, so will sage hatches on mealwood reduce my coal production?

Co2 is not an issue. Again check the screenshot, I'm on cycke 300 and wild slicksters are eating most of my co2. The rest I take care of the lazy way with skimmers.

[Nurgus]

hm since im in the expanding stage of my colony i just solve the problem by digging for some more... thats no option for you since you go the eco style. :) so yeah like someone else mentioned, if the point comes where i am really out of igneous i will touch one of these... volcanoes -.- i dont know how to do that though. the surprising part always kicks in after building long insulated pipes and stuff. 400 for a single piece eats the supplies quick. sometimes the standart tiles are build out of igneous rock aswell, maybe thats a shortterm source for you. when im just building the resources used for that switches and im not always aware of it.

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by Hedning:

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

You'll also want mealworms for your dreckos. Oil isn't guaranteed on arborea, in fact I'm pretty sure it's guaranteed not to be there without modifications, so your plastic will come from dreckos most likely.

Check the screenshot. Do you think I got all that plastic from dreckos? I have two oil wells.

Mealwood may be an option. I have no experience with feeding food to hatches though so I don't know how much they'll eat. I have 280t dirt, but I'm feeding all pdirt to pokeshells for the lime, so I'm not getting more. Also I'm kind of set up for coal power until I get my sour gas boiler up, so will sage hatches on mealwood reduce my coal production?

Co2 is not an issue. Again check the screenshot, I'm on cycke 300 and wild slicksters are eating most of my co2. The rest I take care of the lazy way with skimmers.

The screenshot does not indicate anything about where all the plastic came from. Having oil wells is not the only way to have lots of plastic, you can have many drecko ranches as well, or a crap ton of slicksters.

Seriously, I don't know why you're offended by this though, your screenshots shows none of this, and it's all I had to work with.

Edit: To make it clear, 1 glossy drecko will produce 1 ton of plastic every 10 cycles. If you want 50 tons of plastic, just have 50 glossy dreckos. Or you could have 12 and replace a polymer press. That's it, just 12 equals one polymer press running constantly.

[GoForTopher]

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

Originally posted by Hedning:

Check the screenshot. Do you think I got all that plastic from dreckos? I have two oil wells.

Mealwood may be an option. I have no experience with feeding food to hatches though so I don't know how much they'll eat. I have 280t dirt, but I'm feeding all pdirt to pokeshells for the lime, so I'm not getting more. Also I'm kind of set up for coal power until I get my sour gas boiler up, so will sage hatches on mealwood reduce my coal production?

Co2 is not an issue. Again check the screenshot, I'm on cycke 300 and wild slicksters are eating most of my co2. The rest I take care of the lazy way with skimmers.

The screenshot does not indicate anything about where all the plastic came from. Having oil wells is not the only way to have lots of plastic, you can have many drecko ranches as well, or a crap ton of slicksters.

Seriously, I don't know why you're offended by this though, your screenshots shows none of this, and it's all I had to work with.

Edit: To make it clear, 1 glossy drecko will produce 1 ton of plastic every 10 cycles. If you want 50 tons of plastic, just have 50 glossy dreckos. Or you could have 12 and replace a polymer press. That's it, just 12 equals one polymer press running constantly.

It sure does show his glossy drecko farm and you can clearly see he doesn't have enough to be churning out that much plastic on the screen so it's safe to assume he's getting his plastic from oil. Since Arboria has a 0% chance of spawning with an oil biome and he doesn't seem to have a problem with CO2 in his base it's safe to assume he's using slicksters to deal with it and get oil. He probably has a leaky oil well as well.

he also didn't seem "offended" by anything he was merely correcting you on your wrong assumptions and you seem to be butt hurt about it.

[Hedning]

The numbers on the food for hatches are not encouraging. 1000 kcal natural harvest means 6,25 hydroponic bristle blossoms or 14,17 wild mushrooms per 1000 kcal. Hatches eat 700kcal per day, so 140 bristle blossoms or 317 wild mushrooms to maintain my 32 hatches, and they won't produce hardly any coal.

Getting that many fungal spores on arboria from the one I currently have printed is going to take way too long time, so that means 4.7kg/s of water for the berries is the only alternative. Not that I have an abundance of blossom seeds anyway. But at least I have a few from printing one early and having a few sucking up bathroom water.

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

Seriously, I don't know why you're offended by this though

Did I come across as offended? I'm not. Just saying I didn't get all that plastic through drecko farming.

Originally posted by GoForTopher:

he also didn't seem "offended" by anything he was merely correcting you on your wrong assumptions and you seem to be butt hurt about it.

Thanks, but no need to call someone butt-hurt.

[ForwarD]

Hatches are pretty useless in late game. Slicksters are way better and with functioning oil industry you don't really need coal except little bit for refined carbon anyway. Other options are Dreckos in Chloring/Hydrogen room on Balm Lilies for free Reed Fiber (need for insualtion late game so there is never enough Reed Fiber) or just Shove Voles, which are useless in producing anything useful but still free meat.

[Hedning]

I have already caught all the shove voles, and started feeding them regolith, so meat is secured. Power is also not a problem. I have easily enough sedimentary rock, coal, lumber and intermittent power sources to last until I can build a sour gas boiler, however like I said earlier: I'm sad if I have to retire the hatches. I thought I would have them to the end. I never expected running out of igneous rock would be a thing. This is more about keeping the hatches and having them remain useful.

I could feed the hatches with vole meat, but then they are just pets.

[ByTheNumbers]

Sounds like a similar case I had, except I actually ran out of dirt and didn't realize it until I realized my farms were kaput due to lack of fertilizer (dirt). Only thing that made sense to me in that one was all my hatches ate it all.