What's wrong with my SPOM?

[Gildongs]

Guys, need some help here.

Here's my SPOM. It is generating 8 dupes' worth of oxygen (around 450kg per cycle) so I think oxygen generation is good. But it is 1) not self-generating power, and 2) it is heating up my base.


Pipes are made of granite, radiant ones are copper. I have smart battery hooked at the top. Right most battery is automated with the hamster wheel to kick in when battery reserves hit 0% - the remaining three are hooked up to hydrogen power generator and start when power is <30%. I see my guys going to run the hamster wheel from time to time.

More importantly, the pipes are heating up. I put in hydrogen into the wheezewart room and such, but room keeps heating up. I was about to add in a gas pipe heat monitor so I'd gas off until gas reaches the right temperature, but I gather that the heating increase from the oxylizer and gas pump is going to keep increasing my SPOM's overall temperature. Any help here?

Thanks

EDIT: After pumping in hydrogen into the wheezwort room, air started to go below 15C, so had to install locks to prevent fertilization

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1857788630
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1857788884
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1857789079

[Bullock]

pump cost a lot of energy
it cant be power savy to use so many pump for 1 electrolyzer
a good ratio imho is 3 electro for 1 pump
if you use more elecro than pump they stop working cause the pression is too high
pumps will always drain energy

=)

[Hedning]

Pump needs 500g/s of gas to pump efficiently. You need to set your atmo sensors so that they are always turned off if they don't have enough to pump.

If you connect it to your main grid you won't have any power problems and you can do with fewer batteries.

Your ww needs pressure to breathe. Just having 1g of h2 isn't enough.

[Dracuras]

The core idea of this build can work, but your cooling chamber is small, and barely any hydrogen in it that I can see, the denser the hydrogen, the better the worts can cool it.

[Dracuras]

another thing to note, the radiant pipes that are inside the metal tile? make those plain granite or insulated igneous to limit the heat exchange, those metal tiles are likely dumping a lot of heat into the pipes and thus the gas in them.

[Hedning]

Originally posted by Dracuras:

another thing to note, the radiant pipes that are inside the metal tile? make those plain granite or insulated igneous to limit the heat exchange, those metal tiles are likely dumping a lot of heat into the pipes and thus the gas in them.

That's the point. He wants it cooled. He should just stop the metal earlier so it doesn't go up towards the h2.

[Gildongs]

Originally posted by Hedning:

Pump needs 500g/s of gas to pump efficiently. You need to set your atmo sensors so that they are always turned off if they don't have enough to pump.

If you connect it to your main grid you won't have any power problems and you can do with fewer batteries.

Your ww needs pressure to breathe. Just having 1g of h2 isn't enough.

atmos sensor on the bottom one already at 500g

[Battleseed]

Only need 1 smart battery. Set it to 95/60 since you are only using one gen. The number of pumps is fine. Top atmo should be somewhere between 750 and 1000. Bottom at 500. Would not run metal tiles or temp plates next to the electrolyzer. Radiant pipes should be run only inside the WW chamber. Increase the WW chamber size to at least 1 tile higher across the width and max the pressure of H2. Get rid of any other gas in the chamber. Can do it easy by removing one of the farm tiles and let the other gas escape out the bottom as you add H2. Replace farm tile when only H2 remains.

If you add a transformer, smart battery automated to a power shutoff to power the pumps, you will get even more power out of the SPOM. You will have more H2 than one gen can handle.

The Hydro gen is connected to its own smart battery via power line and automation, set to 95/40 The power line then runs from the Hydro gen, to a power shutoff, transformer then to a smart battery set to 100/25. The power shutoff is automated to the smart battery. You then run all the pumps from this smart battery.

Can provide screens if needed.

[reprodukTOOOOOOOOOOOR]

try this ( not my design, not taking credit, forgot the guys name ):

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1857910448
its simple, but very effective

[Moriibund]

1 Hydrogen pump can support more the 4 electrolyzers, running it for one is wasting power. You could switch over to the mini pump but that is less efficient. It would be better to increase the number of electrolyzers and simply have it run less. Wheeze worts are not great for cooling so I wouldn't expect much from them but they can work until you can get an aquatuner going. Any heat you can transfer to your hydrogen gets removed when it is consumed, this can be abused to help keep things running with-in safe temps.

This is the SPOM I built in my last game that pumped out O2 at 18c, Only the aquatuner and water pump are attached to the main base power. Everything else is self-powered.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1857940574

[Gildongs]

Originally posted by Janellope_Schweets:

1 Hydrogen pump can support more the 4 electrolyzers, running it for one is wasting power. You could switch over to the mini pump but that is less efficient. It would be better to increase the number of electrolyzers and simply have it run less. Wheeze worts are not great for cooling so I wouldn't expect much from them but they can work until you can get an aquatuner going. Any heat you can transfer to your hydrogen gets removed when it is consumed, this can be abused to help keep things running with-in safe temps.

This is the SPOM I built in my last game that pumped out O2 at 18c, Only the aquatuner and water pump are attached to the main base power. Everything else is self-powered.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1857940574

This is interesting but 1) you have 1 hydro generator per oxylizer. Dont get your 4:1 point. 2) how do you see your oxylizer and pumps from overheating?

[hacksaw12]

Number of pumps is fine for a SPOM, the atmo sensors keep you from wasting power. You definitely need to make your wheezie room one tile bigger at the top, granite pipes are fine, but you also need to put at least 2k hydrogen pressure in there, and don't run the oxygen pipes thru insulated tiles. The idea on removing one tile to let it force any other gas out is a good one, but don't make it a farm tile, you won't be able to replant the wheezie after you replace it. I don't understand why you need more than one smart battery, and you need an overflow bridge to make the hydro gene priority, but the excess hydrogen piped off to save or use for something else (filling your wheezie room comes to mind, at least at first). Four wheezies is enough to keep the air cool enough for your base. After you fill up with oxygen, and the SPOM starts cycling some, you may even find you need some horizontal automated doors under the farm plots to keep your dupes from servicing the wheezies if it gets too cold.

[Gildongs]

Originally posted by hacksaw12:

Number of pumps is fine for a SPOM, the atmo sensors keep you from wasting power. You definitely need to make your wheezie room one tile bigger at the top, granite pipes are fine, but you also need to put at least 2k hydrogen pressure in there, and don't run the oxygen pipes thru insulated tiles. The idea on removing one tile to let it force any other gas out is a good one, but don't make it a farm tile, you won't be able to replant the wheezie after you replace it. I don't understand why you need more than one smart battery, and you need an overflow bridge to make the hydro gene priority, but the excess hydrogen piped off to save or use for something else (filling your wheezie room comes to mind, at least at first). Four wheezies is enough to keep the air cool enough for your base. After you fill up with oxygen, and the SPOM starts cycling some, you may even find you need some horizontal automated doors under the farm plots to keep your dupes from servicing the wheezies if it gets too cold.

The extra battery was there so that hydrogen generator would be running more often, so that hydrogen doesn't get clogged up. Oddly, the system doesnt seem to be self sufficient, it runs out of power and needs the hamster wheel every few cycles

[Battleseed]

Originally posted by hacksaw12:

The idea on removing one tile to let it force any other gas out is a good one, but don't make it a farm tile, you won't be able to replant the wheezie after you replace it. I

Can replant it the same way you feed the plant, from below.

[hacksaw12]

Originally posted by Gildongs:

Originally posted by hacksaw12:

Number of pumps is fine for a SPOM, the atmo sensors keep you from wasting power. You definitely need to make your wheezie room one tile bigger at the top, granite pipes are fine, but you also need to put at least 2k hydrogen pressure in there, and don't run the oxygen pipes thru insulated tiles. The idea on removing one tile to let it force any other gas out is a good one, but don't make it a farm tile, you won't be able to replant the wheezie after you replace it. I don't understand why you need more than one smart battery, and you need an overflow bridge to make the hydro gene priority, but the excess hydrogen piped off to save or use for something else (filling your wheezie room comes to mind, at least at first). Four wheezies is enough to keep the air cool enough for your base. After you fill up with oxygen, and the SPOM starts cycling some, you may even find you need some horizontal automated doors under the farm plots to keep your dupes from servicing the wheezies if it gets too cold.

The extra battery was there so that hydrogen generator would be running more often, so that hydrogen doesn't get clogged up. Oddly, the system doesnt seem to be self sufficient, it runs out of power and needs the hamster wheel every few cycles

You should save any extra hydrogen you get from oxygen making, you will wish you had more when you get to space and hydrogen engines.

[Hedning]

Originally posted by hacksaw12:

You should save any extra hydrogen you get from oxygen making, you will wish you had more when you get to space and hydrogen engines.

You can't save h2 that long without using exploits. Also it's not smart to slow down your early game just to get a small boost late game.