Ice biome to cool water

[Tux]

I know there is tons of resources for this approach but my question is rather simple(ish).

about how long would it take for 50c+ water to freeze while in a liquid reservoir at -6c(ish)
and what material should I consider so that it does cool down but does not freeze to fast.
or should I just use the radiator approach?

[intenselygoodtime]

It's super-easy to simply build pipe through that area... Just note that there is an implicit diminishing return on this investment, unless we're talking about the ice asteroid to begin with (where you just build hot things all over the place with wild abandon!).

I'm personally a fan of having your water intakes on one end of a reservoir, and your water outtakes at the other end, with several storage bins manually set to 500lbs maximum capacity, storing only Ice and Snow in them. (One square gap between each.) Thus the warmer water comes in one end, and the cooler water goes out to crops and such. This works for at least 150 days, so you have plenty of time to build proper replacement infrastructure somewhere else.

[Nurgus]

yeah, i rather loop it in a pool where you can then allow warm water to get into the loop or let coldwater leave.

[Tux]

Originally posted by intenselygoodtime:

It's super-easy to simply build pipe through that area... Just note that there is an implicit diminishing return on this investment, unless we're talking about the ice asteroid to begin with (where you just build hot things all over the place with wild abandon!).

I'm personally a fan of having your water intakes on one end of a reservoir, and your water outtakes at the other end, with several storage bins manually set to 500lbs maximum capacity, storing only Ice and Snow in them. (One square gap between each.) Thus the warmer water comes in one end, and the cooler water goes out to crops and such. This works for at least 150 days, so you have plenty of time to build proper replacement infrastructure somewhere else.

that was my second thought.
in this case the hot water is only about 10 tiles away from -6c so....maybe both approaches, just a loops in the biome then down and storage containers in/near the water supply in the base

[Defektiv]

It's slow but possible if you're talking about using the ambient cooling from the ice and worts inside the biome. The ice will eventually melt though and it won't last forever, but it will work for quite a while and is a functional short term solution for cooling. If you want some serious permanent cooling, find an anti entropy device and build 2 electrolyzers and gas pumps next to it. Use the hydrogen created to fill the entropy device room up and supply the 10g/s to the device for cooling. You'll have left over hydrogen to fuel a generator part time. Then pump the oxygen created through radiant pipes through the entropy device room and you've got freezing cold oxygen to do whatever you want with. And make sure to enclose heat makers inside rooms filled with hydrogen to make cooling those things easier. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1854015475

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by Tux:

I know there is tons of resources for this approach but my question is rather simple(ish).

about how long would it take for 50c+ water to freeze while in a liquid reservoir at -6c(ish)
and what material should I consider so that it does cool down but does not freeze to fast.
or should I just use the radiator approach?

Another thing to keep in mind is the biomes are decided not by where they are, but what they are made out of. Eventually if you don't watch it, you can render the ice biome into a water and polluted water biome. There is no intrinsic cooling properties of it other than the weezworts it might have.

[Defektiv]

Originally posted by Tux:

that was my second thought.
in this case the hot water is only about 10 tiles away from -6c so....maybe both approaches, just a loops in the biome then down and storage containers in/near the water supply in the base

I did accomplish it in my previous save that I played without progressing into refined metals at all, but it was a slow process. I would move hot water from a geyser into a lower holding tank, then keep cycling it through radiant pipes in the biome until it was cool enough to either use for cooling or drinking water. It takes exponentially longer the more water you are trying to cool at once, but it works. Over 800 cycles I used it and it was still working when I started a new save. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1832419379

[Tux]

reservoirs do not have any automation so am I to assume I can not use automation to release water from a reservoir once it hits a certian temperature?

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by Tux:

reservoirs do not have any automation so am I to assume I can not use automation to release water from a reservoir once it hits a certian temperature?

Not directly on the reservoir. They will automatically pump into an open pipe if able to. However, if you have a temperature sensor on a pipe, and a valve connected to that, you can automate that.

[Nurgus]

you can check my aquatuner thread about it
https://steamcommunity.com/app/457140/discussions/0/1639793837570461515/

hot water is coming from the left top. its connected via topjunction to the liquid container. the liquid container goes through the aquatuner ( in your case the ice biome ). if the temperature is above the desired temperature its recycled into the tank. if its below it can flow. the cycle is priotized obviously

[Defektiv]

Originally posted by Tux:

reservoirs do not have any automation so am I to assume I can not use automation to release water from a reservoir once it hits a certian temperature?

You can set up a system of valves, which is what I did. Set them all to priority 9 then it won't take long for a dupe to switch them over.

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by Defektiv:

Originally posted by Tux:

reservoirs do not have any automation so am I to assume I can not use automation to release water from a reservoir once it hits a certian temperature?

You can set up a system of valves, which is what I did. Set them all to priority 9 then it won't take long for a dupe to switch them over.

The cutoff is an automatic valve that is run by automation. This was my suggestion.

[Xilo The Odd]

yeah the safe bet is to get the water in a resevoir cooled down by piping it into your cooling are with radiant pipes, if you want a large stockpile of it then a resevoir with a radiant pip on the end + a thermal sensor and a shutoff valve. with a little automation wire set it so that at about 20c it gets flushed out of the system to avoid freezing using insulated pipes beyond that point to avoid anymore change. if your trying to get it as cold as possible or other specific temp jsut set it for that specific temp. if your getting as close to freezing as possible then good luck but you'll probably have some pipes leak ice or break as a result.

if you can keep certain areas very cold in your cooling setup, you can use tempshift plates made of ice to super chill your fluid, jsut make sure to have a backup pump to suck up the water that'll be made if it melts.

[Tux]

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

Originally posted by Defektiv:

You can set up a system of valves, which is what I did. Set them all to priority 9 then it won't take long for a dupe to switch them over.

The cutoff is an automatic valve that is run by automation. This was my suggestion.

yeah but I want to do it based on the internal temperature of the liquid inside the tank.
I dont think I will be able to do that.
so I will just have a empty tank in my base, fill the other tank in the cold biome and release it once its temp ready. I have plenty of spare water at the moment so I dont need it to be constant.

[Nurgus]

you can make a super small loop to measure the temperature of the tank?!

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Nurgus:

you can make a super small loop to measure the temperature of the tank?!

thinking about it, wouldnt it be possible to setup a loop that passes the tank contents past a thermal deal hooked to a shutoff switch as such.

you got the tank, and loop that goes back into the tank input on the left that runs past a thermal sensor, then you got another connection going right with a shutoff valve hooked to the thermal sensor. the loop on the left constantly runs the fluid through it past the sensor at the tank temp and once its cold enough, the valve on the right opens allowing for outflow to happen.

end result, tank temp = your output temp meter.