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Then they removed the golden form speed boost, so the only noticeable difference is that it gives you a unique form of ki blast. One which doesn't even have any tracking on it!
You love to see it.
No, this is justified. People complained about Giant Namekian, so Bandai nerfed it to the point of being literally useless.
People complained about Golden Form, so Bandai took away its speed boost.
Power Pole Mastery is a 'transformation' you can actually be knocked out of with a single combo.
Purification forces you to use Kid Buu's moveset, which means you're obligated to build your character in a specific way.
Potential doesn't become available until you Z rank ALL of the promotion tests.
And you can't use skills like Rise to Action or Super Drain to replenish your stamina while Kaioken is activated.
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Meanwhile, Saiyans have yet to receive anything that remotely inconveniences their play style. They have a Super Saiyan for strike builds, Super Vegeta for blast builds. I don't know what Future Super Saiyan does, but I assume it's some kind of well rounded option.
THEN they got Blue and Blue Evolved on top of all that.
Only for the Saiyan mains to have the absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gall to come onto these forums and whine about Blue Evolved getting a massive nerf recently that made it almost unusable.
To these people, I say: "Welcome to the club!"
Agreed, the community killed this game. Also don't you like how ssbe cannot be maintained any more due to the meditation nerf? So enjoy having it for 10 seconds, meanwhile in other games you can maintain it much longer. Oh and how about people cried about all the skills in the game, meaning only 5% of strike skills are useful.
Giant Namek is the same way. Even with 125 points in Stamina, the form doesn't even last half a minute before you stamina break. And that's if the enemy doesn't hit you.
Every single time I've used it, the enemy did one rush kick and instantly knocked me out of the form, then beat my ass while I was trying to recover from the stamina break. Giant Namek is USELESS!
So I say "good riddance" to SSB Evolved. The Saiyans were long over due for a slice of humble pie, after they screwed the rest of us over!
Giant form is like a souped up Pose F hyper armor and high damage output in bursts. People like me who fight that in pvp are RELYING on that stamina drain weakness to have a shot at countering it. But just because you can't maintain it throughout a PQ does NOT make it "useless" in a PQ. You need to utilize it properly to maximize it's benefit while managing its weaknesses.
Golden form it still PLENTY useful for the stats it supports. Specific super souls play nice with the special charged ki blasts, and you keep your move set. You lost that 50% boost in ki recovery almost 2 years ago in exchange for a measly 10% reduction in ki recovery (saiyans have an 85% ki recovery deduction since day 1 release). Those of you who relied on that huge ki recovery boost are the only ones that have an issue with almost normal ki recovery.
Purification still has jank but the last few updates have made it's set skills more powerful and they removed the stamina drain. Don't like the kid buu move set? Then use PU.
Nimbus? Spam the dash input to get I-frames like crazy and learn to mess with it's combo strings. It knocks out easy but it has super armor and I've seen it abused pretty hefty.
"Useless" is the improper term. Neither of you seems to know HOW to use them.
To add I've seen lots of people complain about evolve because it has both a massive ki drain and a ki recovery penalty. My statement to you and the OP about the other awokens is the same for ssgss evolved and ssgss. If you want to use those awokens well, you need to use them consistently, and figure out the best way to implement them with the tools you have.
I do it. I see no reason you or the OP cannot. Some of them do have niche uses... its fine if you have complaints about that... but again... useless is not the proper label
I don't want to use SSB or Evolved. I refuse to use Saiyans as a matter of both protest against how Bandai keeps showing favoritism towards them, and because after 20 years of Goku and Vegeta hogging the spotlight, Saiyans as a protagonist have grown stale and boring to me.
I watched Dragon Ball. I remember there was once a time when Goku was getting his ass kicked by humans and namekians. I remember there was a time when Yajirobi managed to effortlessly kill one of King Piccolo's children, before he was turned into the lazy coward he is in DBZ.
I remember that Goku trained with Kami for 7 years in order to reach the power level that he had at the beginning of Z. Yet the humans only spent 1 year training on Kami's lookout, and managed to reach a level of power that rivaled that of Raditz himself. So really, who's the true warrior race there, Saiyans?
The other races got shafted hard during the events of DBZ, but were allowed a few brief moments to shine again in Super. The tournament of Power arc is my favorite so far, precisely because the Saiyans didn't steam roll the competition, and the other races got to have fun, too.
Allow me to repeat myself: Even with 125 points in Stamina (the absolute maximum you can have), I get knocked out of Giant form with a single dash kick. And because my stamina bar is so ungodly high, it takes a long time for me to recover. Time which the enemy then uses to beat the crap out of my character!
It's bad enough that Namekians have the lowest base stats in the game, aside from HP. But now their racial transformation can instantly get stamina broken? Even Power Pole Mastery has better defense than this thing!
As someone who's mained a Namekian since day one of Xenoverse 2, and in Xenoverse 1 before that, Giant Namekian isn't useless. It's fundamentally a different sort of transformation that's used to seal a win in a close game. You won't be able to hold it for long, because it's not meant to be a perpetual transformation -- go use Potential Unleashed or Kaioken if that's what you crave. If it's neck and neck match, you can easily close the gap by activating the damage boost and super armor afforded by Great Namek. Of course they had to boost the stamina drain, it gives you super armor and an assload of reach. If you're smart about when you transform, which is honestly required for most transformations, you wouldn't have to worry about getting your guard broken. If you're on top of things and are actually whaling on your opponent the whole time, they're either going to have to burn all of their stamina on evasives, or they just let you eat a few of their health bars. The only real downside of Giant Form is that, depending on the size of the map and how slippery your opponents are, they could kite you for the duration of your transformation; granted, if that's happening to you, you have the ability to de-transform and stop the chase instead of letting them kite you the whole time. The trade-off with that is that Giant Namekian is an absolute nightmare to fight on small stages like the World Tournament stage, where they can effectively clear most of the map in a single attack or dash. Again, as someone who's enjoyed Giant Namekian since day one, it really seems like the people complaining about it have a fundamental misunderstanding of the form and how to utilize it. For me, it's almost an afterthought. I don't often rely on transformations, Namekian combos have lots of room for tricks, supers, and guard-breaks. The Great Namek transformation is almost more of a safety net of super armor and boosted strength to fall back on if I'm actually being pushed.
Oh no. Not the speed boost. Not the SPEED boost. The thing that Golden wasn't exactly known for modifying. OP whined more about when its ki generation was nerfed, yet its ki super damage is still, to my knowledge, the best in the game- I think only rivaled by Blue Evolution.
Power Pole Pro is a lot better now with various QoL additions. Its honestly a nightmare in PvP. I don't know about its usage in PvE situations, I don't play an earthling.
I don't see how "building your character a certain way" is any different for other awokens with drawbacks like Giant needing stamina, Blue and Blue Evolution requiring some max Ki or Divinity Unleashed to maintain or... well, actually thats it. Purify is actually a monster that deals out damage like it was candy on halloween. I know this myself because I've been fiddling with Purification since it started getting buffed. A single vanishing ball, with my female majin with +125 ki supers and +5 ki supers on QQ-Bang does _6250~_ damage. For one Ki. Two of them are equivalent to Super Vanishing Ball, and you can chain Vanishing Balls back to back. Purify also regens stamina now EVEN WHILE ATTACKING, the boogie bend in a lot more spammable, you can land a burst dash on someone after you grab them to follow up with supers... Do not EVER complain about purify while I exist. Its janky with its step-bouncing and rolling attacks, sure, but its still a monster in terms of output.
I also don't recall Kaioken being something Goku left turned on for entire fights. "I've been saving this! Kaioken!" basically lets you maintain kaioken level 1 pretty much indefinitely, but then thats also "building your character a certain way" as you complained about above. I mean... okay.
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Ya, I agree. Saiyans get everything handed to them on a platter in terms of new awokens, but we haven't seen any new awoken since DLC 9 which gave us blue evolution. Maybe when Omen Goku gets put into the game (We all know the bulk of the playerbase voted for him, despite varying opinions about Dyspo, Bergamo or VeGTa) there might be a new omni-racial awoken, and I was disappointed that this DLC didn't give us a Destroyer Form like Toppo's. Didn't even need to really change the musculature on your CaC, just an aura change and shader change. It's whatever though.
I also love how dumbf*ck magoo keeps saying 90% or 95% of strike supers being useless. You're genuinely stupid and don't know what you're talking about. If you've played this game this long and haven't bothered experimenting with Strikes in training mode to figure out what good combos could come from them, thats entirely on you being a whiny little kid who wants things to just WORK a certain way when they aren't made to.
End rant. Quit your whining.
I mained Namekian in Xenoverse 1 as well. My imported character is Didgeri, the albino Namekian.
His name is a pun on Didigeridoo.
As for using Giant form for a quirk win, or a burst combo, that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid. Piccolo didn't change into a giant form just to launch one heavy punch at Goku before shrinking back down. The very idea of being able to transform into a giant should have opened up new possibilities for how to handle Great Ape fights. Being able to turn into an ape was something people have been begging for since Xenoverse 1, and when we found out Namekians would get a giant form, we were excited to see how it would handle Oozaru fights.
As giving you an ass load of reach, that's just ridiculous. It's almost as if you missed the fact the game has a crap ton of blast moves you can use to engage the enemy from a distance. And all the super armor in the world doesn't mean ♥♥♥♥, if you can't endure a single dash kick.
Probably because you're using it against AI that randomly fire their ultimates at point blank which giant form doesn't really have the high strings to break before it hits. And many PQ AI can afford to have several life bars shaved off to make blatent noob mistakes while hand tying you at some point in the process.
Again... it's something you have to find an application for, but it is NOT and NEVER has been for drawn out fights. If you're in this game for some kind of lore then do what what you wish with your builds.; I'm not here to berrate how you use your cac's. But you're complaining about how these awokens work when if you understood better the application of them you COULD work it into to your playstyle one way or another in today's variation of the game.
The speed boost WAS a big part of golden form. The Frieza clan aren't the best in terms of attack, strike or blasts, but they have the highest speed in the game. They also get a boost to speed when their health is low, like how Namekians get regeneration after taking too much damage.
Fortunately, golden form does seem to improve the strength of your ki blast skills, even though the description only states it increases your charged ki blasts. But by removing the speed boost from the transformation, you basically removed the one thing the Frieza clan are supposed to be good at. This would be like making Power Pole Mastery remove the Earthling's natural ki regeneration, or Purification removing the Majin's damage reduction.
I'm not whining. My complaints, and those of the OP are completely justified in the face of this game's non-stop Saiyan favoritism bull crap. Not everybody in the world wants their main character to be a spiky haired space monkey!