SSGSSE is unusable...

[Baklavah]

I'm all for making things difficult to master... but SSB and SSBE are just... BAD.... great power boosts... but wtf... this ki drain nonsense was hated in Xeno1, and putting it in Xeno2 just makes it worse.

How to fix Blue/Blue E:

Step 1) Remove Ki Drain
Step 2) Make vanishes cost +1 stam on SSBE
Step 3) Lock 3 Ki bars off when using SSB, lock 5 bars when using SSBE
Step 4) REMOVE THE KI DRAIN

There, I fixed it. It's no longer OP with 0 ki drain. Jeezuss...

[Majin Mew]

There are several combinations of Skills and Super Souls that will allow you to maintain either of the Blue Awokens for the entire duration of PQs.

Killspeed / DPS will be lower than on builds using SV2 or PU, but still...

[Baklavah]

Originally posted by Majin Mew:

There are several combinations of Skills and Super Souls that will allow you to maintain either of the Blue Awokens for the entire duration of PQs.

Killspeed / DPS will be lower than on builds using SV2 or PU, but still...

And that's the dumbest part. Superior power, MASSIVE design flaws. It's terrible!

[Chouxen]

Originally posted by Baklavah:

Originally posted by Majin Mew:

There are several combinations of Skills and Super Souls that will allow you to maintain either of the Blue Awokens for the entire duration of PQs.

Killspeed / DPS will be lower than on builds using SV2 or PU, but still...

And that's the dumbest part. Superior power, MASSIVE design flaws. It's terrible!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with either of the skills. I can use and maintain it in PvP easily.
The difficulty maintaining it normally is the cost of power and is not meant to be used in long drawn out fights. Your style has to be built around the Awoken skill. It is not meant to be geared towards continued use.

[Baklavah]

Originally posted by Master Xen:

Originally posted by Baklavah:

And that's the dumbest part. Superior power, MASSIVE design flaws. It's terrible!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with either of the skills. I can use and maintain it in PvP easily.
The difficulty maintaining it normally is the cost of power and is not meant to be used in long drawn out fights. Your style has to be built around the Awoken skill. It is not meant to be geared towards continued use.

And that's terrible design. It isn't fun to be hyper-restricted by "constantly draining resources". That's a really stupid mechanic. The only time that should apply is using ultimates/evasives/supers that continue draining ki/stam to do extra damage. Making that a core mechanic of one of the most ICONIC things in the franchise is f*cking stupid... pardon my French.

[Reizo Ryuu]

I'm using it just fine, the idea behind ssgss is that it is a massive boost, but an equally massive drain. Which is why goku and vegeta train to use it more efficiently after the universe 6 tournament. But those two are pretty much freaks when it comes to latent abilities so CaC saiyans not having their level of control, for both ss3 and ssb(e) makes sense.

The idea is that you transform into ssgss and quickly destroy your opponent, not just pop it and go jogging. Being able to counteract the drains with skills and souls is what makes it busted tbh. Imagine being able to use goku's ssb kaioken for an entire PQ nonstop, that's essentially what you're doing when you counteract the drain from ssbe.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Baklavah:

I'm all for making things difficult to master... but SSB and SSBE are just... BAD.... great power boosts... but wtf... this ki drain nonsense was hated in Xeno1, and putting it in Xeno2 just makes it worse.

Saiyan Favoritism was hated in Xeno1. Putting it in Xeno2 just makes it worse.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ deal with it...

[Baklavah]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Baklavah:

I'm all for making things difficult to master... but SSB and SSBE are just... BAD.... great power boosts... but wtf... this ki drain nonsense was hated in Xeno1, and putting it in Xeno2 just makes it worse.

Saiyan Favoritism was hated in Xeno1. Putting it in Xeno2 just makes it worse.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ deal with it...

lel... scuse me for being one of the players who plays a race which is the CORE of DB/DBZ/DBS.

Hakuna your tatas. Saiyans are the iconic race. Boohoo that you don't like it.

[Baklavah]

Originally posted by Reizo Ryuu:

I'm using it just fine, the idea behind ssgss is that it is a massive boost, but an equally massive drain. Which is why goku and vegeta train to use it more efficiently after the universe 6 tournament. But those two are pretty much freaks when it comes to latent abilities so CaC saiyans not having their level of control, for both ss3 and ssb(e) makes sense.

The idea is that you transform into ssgss and quickly destroy your opponent, not just pop it and go jogging. Being able to counteract the drains with skills and souls is what makes it busted tbh. Imagine being able to use goku's ssb kaioken for an entire PQ nonstop, that's essentially what you're doing when you counteract the drain from ssbe.

The problem is requiring you to bust the hell out of your setup to even make it work. It's stupid. It's a terrible design decision. I offered a MORE THAN viable solution.

[Majin Mew]

1x Super Soul with either Ki regeneration or increased Ki-per-hit or both
1x Super Skill with either Ki regeneration or increased Ki per hit (or Ultimate Charge)

Done.

Not exactly what I'd call "busting the hell out of [my] setup"...

[Chouxen]

Works just fine for my build, I can use it freely w/o any trouble what so ever. It's not meant for those who can't handle it :)

[Baklavah]

I use "I hate what I've become" because a-duh... I also am forced to use Div Unleashed (I hate it...)

And I have to drop a 3rd attack for Burst or Ult charge to sustain myself. It SUCKS.

[Reizo Ryuu]

Originally posted by Baklavah:

The problem is requiring you to bust the hell out of your setup to even make it work. It's stupid. It's a terrible design decision. I offered a MORE THAN viable solution.

That's a gross exaggeration, I use all presets and all I had to change was a super soul for one of them, heck even if you don't want to use a different super soul, the new charges (ultimate and burst) make it super easy to always have ki. There's literally no reason to use dvinity unleash + another charge btw, that's entirely superfluous.

And again, the fact that it's laughably easy to make it sustainable makes it entirely busted for any PQ, even the biggest healthbars get deleted in seconds; there's a reason why you can't use power rush with either of the transformations, you'd literally one shot any enemy if you could.

[Majin Mew]

Try one of these:

"Let the experiment begin..." (XL boost to Ki Blast Skills, Ki regeneration, Ki-per-hit)
"Pathetic" (XXL boosts to Ki Blast and Strike Skills as well as highest Ki-per-hit in the game)
"You honestly thought you could beat me?" (XL boost to all attacks, XL Ki-per-hit)
"I hope you're reborn as someone good..." (requires a max. Ki build, but works nicely in almost all PQs)

Add Meditation.

[MekaDovah]

This is why I don't bother with SSB or SSBE except to goof around. I get a more flexible, sustainable, and more personally enjoyable build that doesn't have to spend large parts of itself just to keep a transformation going for a meager 2000 points of damage or go all in on power and have one more thing to remember to juggle while fighting. Doesn't seem worth the trade off.

If I really want to nuke something, Super Vegeta 2 and one of the new Super Souls that increases damage by a large amount serves me well enough. Super souls and moves that empower other moves seem to be where the lion's share of the power is now.

I mean, maybe it matters more in pvp. I don't know. I don't pvp because no build is going to compensate for cheats and a bad latency that makes it so no one is ever where they appear to be.

[Majin Mew]

Originally posted by MekaDovah:

If I really want to nuke something, Super Vegeta 2 and one of the new Super Souls that increases damage by a large amount serves me well enough. Super souls and moves that empower other moves seem to be where the lion's share of the power is now.

This.

Super Vegeta 2 or even Potential Unleashed offers overall higher DPS than any "Blue" Awoken.

With regards to the current go-to Souls for PvE, I'd say that the 4 I suggested above + the Mentor Souls of Vegeta (6x S boost stacks to KI Blasta + XL boost to Galick Gun(s)) are top notch. Frieza's EDB Soul works just fine, too.

I mean, maybe it matters more in pvp. I don't know. I don't pvp because no build is going to compensate for cheats and a bad latency that makes it so no one is ever where they appear to be.

It's ironic, but in PvP most of the Saiyan-specific tranaformations are actually 99,99% IRRELEVANT, even under perfect, lag-free conditions.