Moving Pay Dirt

[meraco]

I know that when you use the bull dozer to move dirt, this kind of deletes the gold within the (created dirt) and as a result you don't get much gold from the "top soil" that was moved.

My question is..

Can you move pay dirt and then pick it up with the excavator and dump it in the mobile wash plant.

Scenario:

Pay loader fills the dump truck.. dump truck moves the dirt closer to the mobile wash plant location (makes a pile).. then use the excavator to load the wash plant.

Is this viable? or will the dirt be without gold after movement?

[PoliScikosis]

I dont know that what you are saying is true. When you dump into the dump truck you are in essence creating (created dirt)....

but stockpiling is not a thing from what I have read.

[zingo2]

Stockpiling paydirt by washplant is not a thing.

It could be if lot of people want it(request it)

[Unleashed3k]

I only tried it on Pine Valley, but you can move the dirt beyond the "digable"-area with the dozer and then fill in the dirt with the big excavator, but it doesn't seem to have any gold in it ( I think, cause of the buldozer[removing gold from moved dirt], I have no chance to gain any gold from these "piles", if you look into my profile(screenshots), I tried this after every patch but the bulldozer seems bugged, or the gold "disappears" after plowing it over the "dig"-limits.


http://steamcommunity.com/id/unleashed3k/screenshots/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/874122013275894453/4862024577E17B135FE63F2C9080C8CF42F65449/

[Hugh Jaynis]

you can stock pile dirt just fine, but only in the minable area

[Unleashed3k]

Originally posted by Cleety:

you can stock pile dirt just fine, but only in the minable area

as said before, you can "plow" the dirt out of the actual area for at leat 3m and then can fill the dirt-piles into the T3-plant with the big excavator (look at screenshots on my profile), but it seems to generate no gold, (or close to nothing), when you are looking for gold. But as known so far, this is the problem with the bulldozer, that seems to wipe out any gold from your dirt.

Hope we see a general overhaul in the close future.

[Old-gamer]

The bulldozer is one of my favorite pieces of equipment that is so useful. I have not tested any ill-effects of dirt moved by it though. I've wondered if dirt that is disturbed (and not collected) by all of the earth moving machines renders that disturbed dirt as non-productive for gold. Can one of the Mods or a Dev please answer this for all of us? It would be most appreciated because I'm not perfect in my digging with an excavator and surely would not want to stop using the dozer.

[Nerd^3(USA)]

tested dirt moved with dozer after loading in previous save. 4 samples from one bucket all yielded expected amount of gold. sample taken from moved dirt with shovel and stored in bucket. then moved to wash tub and cleaned.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1206437493
will move dirt with dozer during current session and check said dirt doing same test.

edit:
moved dirt using dozer. took sample from top of said dirt and then repeated previous test. test was positive for gold in the expected amount (1 nugget).
conclusion ...seems unlikely that the dozer is responsible for loss of gold, if any.
will test other possibilities.
front loader being first...results of test...
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1206450531
also took sample from dirt moved by front loader that was moved by but not loaded into front loader. sample yeilded expected amount of gold.

it is possible that the moving of the dirt is not the culprit of the gold loss, as evidenced by previous experiments.
will test t2 wash plant and t3 rig.

[meraco]

Originally posted by Cleety:

you can stock pile dirt just fine, but only in the minable area

Thats what I was looking for. :)

So, if you move the dirt from the dig site with a "payloader" or "dump truck" and drop it within the mining area. you can then pick it up with the excavator and drop it in the "mobile wash plant"

I shall be testing this when I have a chance. But I appreciate your insight before I did :)

[Unleashed3k]

Originally posted by Nerd^3(USA):

tested dirt moved with dozer after loading in previous save. 4 samples from one bucket all yielded expected amount of gold. sample taken from moved dirt with shovel and stored in bucket. then moved to wash tub and cleaned.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1206437493
will move dirt with dozer during current session and check said dirt doing same test.

edit:
moved dirt using dozer. took sample from top of said dirt and then repeated previous test. test was positive for gold in the expected amount (1 nugget).
conclusion ...seems unlikely that the dozer is responsible for loss of gold, if any.
will test other possibilities.
front loader being first...results of test...
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1206450531
also took sample from dirt moved by front loader that was moved by but not loaded into front loader. sample yeilded expected amount of gold.

it is possible that the moving of the dirt is not the culprit of the gold loss, as evidenced by previous experiments.
will test t2 wash plant and t3 rig.

I moved the dirt over the claim limits on Pine Valley, so I was able to feed the T3-washplant with the big excav, I filled mats/jig-buckets to 100% and only washed out 9oz, so I stopped plowing the paydirt out of the claim.

Either it's the bugged dozer, or the gold "falls" out from the dirt as soon as you move it out of the "dig"-area.

If you don't understand what I write, I have some screens on my profile, it is possible to move dirt close to the shaker on Pine Valley and then feed the shaker directly with a big excav.

[meraco]

Originally posted by c0dex Unleashed3k:

Your Post

Well thats handy, Because when using the T2 mobile wash plant, I find it difficult to get all (lower level) gold without flatening an area to setup. the problem with this is the dozer bug.

But if one is able to bring the pay dirt closer to the T2 wash operation, then I can finaly clean up the lower level dirt, and in theory, get the higher yield pay dirt proccessed.

[Old-gamer]

So the whole thing about losing gold is associated with moving the dirt outside of the boundaries of the claim? I get why someone would do it and that makes perfect sense. In RL, the gold should not necessarily disappear just because it was moved from point A to B. But this is a game that answers to whatever rules have been coded by the Devs. So, it is back to them to provide an answer to this particular issue given the parameters of when it occurs.

Edit: If the problem is a "dozer bug", then moving dirt outside the claim area with other forms of equipment would not produce the issue. Is that the case that someone has verified?

[meraco]

Originally posted by Old-gamer:

So the whole thing about losing gold is associated with moving the dirt outside of the boundaries of the claim? I get why someone would do it and that makes perfect sense. In RL, the gold should not necessarily disappear just because it was moved from point A to B. But this is a game that answers to whatever rules have been coded by the Devs. So, it is back to them to provide an answer to this particular issue given the parameters of when it occurs.

The other issue with losing gold is the bull dozer.. if you push the dirt with the dozer, it basicly deletes and then creates new dirt.. this dirt has no gold in it. But from what I understand, you can pick up dirt with the payloader and move it inside the mining area and it will still have the gold within it..

[Unleashed3k]

Originally posted by meraco:

Originally posted by c0dex Unleashed3k:

Your Post

Well thats handy, Because when using the T2 mobile wash plant, I find it difficult to get all (lower level) gold without flatening an area to setup. the problem with this is the dozer bug.

But if one is able to bring the pay dirt closer to the T2 wash operation, then I can finaly clean up the lower level dirt, and in theory, get the higher yield pay dirt proccessed.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1176925147

[Unleashed3k]

Originally posted by Old-gamer:

So the whole thing about losing gold is associated with moving the dirt outside of the boundaries of the claim? I get why someone would do it and that makes perfect sense. In RL, the gold should not necessarily disappear just because it was moved from point A to B. But this is a game that answers to whatever rules have been coded by the Devs. So, it is back to them to provide an answer to this particular issue given the parameters of when it occurs.

Edit: If the problem is a "dozer bug", then moving dirt outside the claim area with other forms of equipment would not produce the issue. Is that the case that someone has verified?

tried to move dirt like on my pic, but instead of the dozer, with the "fixed" frontloader, but you waste much more time and somehow dirt on the move, so it's not really good to plow dirt with it.

if I only plow a small ramp with around 1m height and then bring another excav inside the "dig"-area, pilling up the dirt on the small "ramp" outside the area, I have the same effect when I load the t3-shaker: the gold from the paydirt, that was outside the "dig"-area seems to disappear as I get no gold after a cleanout.....

really tired of tryin' every bs and yet no CONCRETE answers from the devs...

[Old-gamer]

Originally posted by meraco:

Originally posted by Old-gamer:

So the whole thing about losing gold is associated with moving the dirt outside of the boundaries of the claim? I get why someone would do it and that makes perfect sense. In RL, the gold should not necessarily disappear just because it was moved from point A to B. But this is a game that answers to whatever rules have been coded by the Devs. So, it is back to them to provide an answer to this particular issue given the parameters of when it occurs.

The other issue with losing gold is the bull dozer.. if you push the dirt with the dozer, it basicly deletes and then creates new dirt.. this dirt has no gold in it. But from what I understand, you can pick up dirt with the payloader and move it inside the mining area and it will still have the gold within it..

What-if you move the dirt outside the boundaries of the claim with other forms of equipment? Has that been tested to conclude whether it is just a "dozer" problem or possibly a problem with dirt/gold content that has been moved outside the claim boundary?