Gold Map vs actual gold amount

[Stoney]

So I got the drilling machine last night, did a test in 2 squares:
According to gold map:
Square 261 = 247 oz of gold.
Square 262 = 220 oz of gold.

Dug out both squares completely which equaled 4 buckets after going through mobile wash plant...and then straight to wave table.

Actuall amount I got: 34 oz 😂😂

So what gives?

[Metallos]

The plants have different efficiency, higher tiers have higher efficiency.

[PiezPiedPy]

probably only get that much gold from the highest Tier equipment

[Stoney]

Roger that....so just keep digging and saving then.
For reference, what would the Tier 3 wash plant have netted me from that? I guessing probably around 50% of what map said?

[prostkr]

In my testing the drill holes always produced less than they showed. Since the leader board gold re-balance it is now way off, no matter what plant you use. My tier 5 plant is lucky to get 90oz from a square that says it has 500oz in it. I think they should look at trying to make them seem reasonably close. It may be something easy to adjust?

[JMH714]

I saw different. At Tier 5 with full workers at washplant (workers are varied between 90% - 99%), I got bit more than what drill data showed. That was on Easy level. I haven't tried on Normal or Hard yet.

[Tyrus]

yeah Id like to know expected efficiency rates for the various tiers also. I have full T4 with level 3 workers and getting approx 60-65 oz from a 350oz square.

[mad viper]

so higher tier will get more gold but also drilling the square more then once will also get a better reading of whats there.

[JMH714]

I tried to drill different area for more detailed but it remains same. Maybe I did it wrong?

[codehorizon_mod_Egoon]

dont forget you can drill 1 square multiple times to get a more acurate result. if you drill just 1 whole in a square and it shows a lot of gold. but 20 cm's to the right theres nothing in the same square. your result will be off. so try to drill multiple holes in 1 square and see what your results are like then.

[Welf]

Originally posted by Stoney:

So I got the drilling machine last night, did a test in 2 squares:
According to gold map:
Square 261 = 247 oz of gold.
Square 262 = 220 oz of gold.

Dug out both squares completely which equaled 4 buckets after going through mobile wash plant...and then straight to wave table.

Actuall amount I got: 34 oz 😂😂

So what gives?

Hi Op,Let me start by saying i have not played in some time,with that said.
Did you get the 34 oz's in total from both sq's.or 34 from each?

If you got it in total then its on par from my testing in the past,the t2 would only get about 7%-10%, if it was each then you're doing better then i did maybe recovery rate has been changed.

As to the expected recovery this has been a hot topic since the beginning,and tested by many players myself included.it's my conclusion that it will be impossible to set a expected recovery rate for a given sq and tier used on it for various reasons.

The top two reasons being,
1: the way in which the program calculates the gold in the dirt vs' the way it removes the dirt from the ground per scoop.And then recalculates it as a % in tier recovery as it's ran thru the plant.
This is a Very hard balance to achieve,and may be beyond the game engine's ability to achieve with reasonable accuracy.With that being said it is clear to me they have been making positive changes to strike a better balance in the programming.which leads to reason #2.

2: I can not stress this enough,and there has been many thread discussion's about it.let me say this loudly hold your ear's:)

THE WAY YOU DIG MATTER'S...................................................MATTER'S.........:)

If you want to maximize your gold recovery you MUST dig in layers from top to bottom or you WILL lose gold from the dirt.

For some example's look in my profile screen shots,pay close attention to how i was digging in layers.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198333727770

Here's a video of me passing the 100K oz's mark, watch how i was digging.Sorry for the clean up at night i should waited till day time:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV5ppBoTzBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK6M1WWOcKw

Back to the issue of recovery varying from player to player and the way the program calculates it.myself i think its a good thing,WHAT did he say? that's right you hear me:) let me explain.


In real life the dirt/gold is static and does not matter how you dig it,it will just fall to the ground and you can scoop it up. That's not how it is in the game thus you must dig in layers.
In real life you give 2 miners the exact same ground and equipment and if they are equal in experience and skill they should get close to the same gold recovery.If they are not then you will see a big difference in the gold recovery amount.It won't be the dirt that's the issue it will be how they setup and run their wash plant's that matter's.So if the dirt and the equipment recovery rate was static in the game, where would be fun and challenge in seeing who can work it and get the most gold.That's just my take on it.

Full closer i am a retired gold miner i dredged gold in cali for 25+ years and have found my fair share of gold.90% from dredging 10% from using wash plants and equipment.myself i prefer being under water where i could actually see the gold coming out of the material as i worked it.There's nothing like seeing the gold like that:)

Happy Mining:)

Ps here's a link to my guide with some testing stat's maybe it will help you.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1449173180

Also good tip Egoon:) how are you bud.

codehorizon_mod_Egoon Moderator 3 hours ago
dont forget you can drill 1 square multiple times to get a more acurate result. if you drill just 1 whole in a square and it shows a lot of gold. but 20 cm's to the right theres nothing in the same square. your result will be off. so try to drill multiple holes in 1 square and see what your results are like then.

[Stoney]

Originally posted by Mr.Mud:

Originally posted by Stoney:

So I got the drilling machine last night, did a test in 2 squares:
According to gold map:
Square 261 = 247 oz of gold.
Square 262 = 220 oz of gold.

Dug out both squares completely which equaled 4 buckets after going through mobile wash plant...and then straight to wave table.

Actuall amount I got: 34 oz 😂😂

So what gives?

Hi Op,Let me start by saying i have not played in some time,with that said.
Did you get the 34 oz's in total from both sq's.or 34 from each?

If you got it in total then its on par from my testing in the past,the t2 would only get about 7%-10%, if it was each then you're doing better then i did maybe recovery rate has been changed.

As to the expected recovery this has been a hot topic since the beginning,and tested by many players myself included.it's my conclusion that it will be impossible to set a expected recovery rate for a given sq and tier used on it for various reasons.

The top two reasons being,
1: the way in which the program calculates the gold in the dirt vs' the way it removes the dirt from the ground per scoop.And then recalculates it as a % in tier recovery as it's ran thru the plant.
This is a Very hard balance to achieve,and may be beyond the game engine's ability to achieve with reasonable accuracy.With that being said it is clear to me they have been making positive changes to strike a better balance in the programming.which leads to reason #2.

2: I can not stress this enough,and there has been many thread discussion's about it.let me say this loudly hold your ear's:)

THE WAY YOU DIG MATTER'S...................................................MATTER'S.........:)

If you want to maximize your gold recovery you MUST dig in layers from top to bottom or you WILL lose gold from the dirt.

For some example's look in my profile screen shots,pay close attention to how i was digging in layers.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198333727770

Here's a video of me passing the 100K oz's mark, watch how i was digging.Sorry for the clean up at night i should waited till day time:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV5ppBoTzBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK6M1WWOcKw

Back to the issue of recovery varying from player to player and the way the program calculates it.myself i think its a good thing,WHAT did he say? that's right you hear me:) let me explain.


In real life the dirt/gold is static and does not matter how you dig it,it will just fall to the ground and you can scoop it up. That's not how it is in the game thus you must dig in layers.
In real life you give 2 miners the exact same ground and equipment and if they are equal in experience and skill they should get close to the same gold recovery.If they are not then you will see a big difference in the gold recovery amount.It won't be the dirt that's the issue it will be how they setup and run their wash plant's that matter's.So if the dirt and the equipment recovery rate was static in the game, where would be fun and challenge in seeing who can work it and get the most gold.That's just my take on it.

Full closer i am a retired gold miner i dredged gold in cali for 25+ years and have found my fair share of gold.90% from dredging 10% from using wash plants and equipment.myself i prefer being under water where i could actually see the gold coming out of the material as i worked it.There's nothing like seeing the gold like that:)

Happy Mining:)

Ps here's a link to my guide with some testing stat's maybe it will help you.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1449173180

Also good tip Egoon:) how are you bud.

codehorizon_mod_Egoon Moderator 3 hours ago
dont forget you can drill 1 square multiple times to get a more acurate result. if you drill just 1 whole in a square and it shows a lot of gold. but 20 cm's to the right theres nothing in the same square. your result will be off. so try to drill multiple holes in 1 square and see what your results are like then.

Great post!

And thanks for all the replies everyone.

Yes Sir, the 34oz was the total from both squares.

Dug with the large excavator from the top, right down to bedrock. It was approx 4 - 5m deep there.

As further reference, I have a full Tier 3 setup now, and today I ran it for the first time after setting it all up.

I have the following, from top to bottom:

Conveyor Hopper
Conveyor Belt
Shaker
Sluice boxes (top one with 3 sluice box grates)- Trommel - Sluice boxes
2x Duplex Jig.
2x Hogpans

Gold collection parts:

3x SB Grates
12x Miners Moss
4x buckets from Duplex Jigs
8x Hogpan mats.

Method I used:
I ran it twice for 100% on everything....that gave me 11 buckets each clean out (per 100%)

5 buckets were put through Mag Sep first, they were: 1 bucket from Sluice Box Grates, and the 4 from the Duplex Jigs.
Miners moss and HP mats rinsed in buckets and straight to Wave table.

Once again pay dirt was dug with large excavator top down, and loaded into Dump truck (100% full dump load into Hopper each time)

Once the shaker was empty/pay dirt gone through, I stopped everything including water, and filled Hopper again to 100% and then filled another load ready to tip before turning everything back on.
-Repeated untill everything 100%

I had drilled the squares...only one drill per square though...and they weren't nothing special; around 140-170 oz each on map.
Got about 80% of both squares.

After I'd ran all 22 buckets through the Wave Table I had a total of 132oz of gold.

1st 11: 68oz
2nd 11: 64oz

Not sure if I'm meant to run Duplex/SBG buckets and or Matts/Moss through Mag Sep?
I presume it's just the buckets? - Mats/Moss straight to Wave table.

Thanks very much for your explanation of how to dig and your videos/guides! I've been wanting to find a better and proper way to get the dirt.
I'll definitely check them out.

Loving the game so far, and it has made me really interested in gold mining - even started watching the show!
Awesome! we have a real life gold miner here! I'd love to try it IRL.

Thanks very much.

[Welf]

Ty.hope it helped:)

Since you got the t3 sounds like you're on your way that's awesome:)
Also as i suspected if you got 132 oz even at 80% dug,that means you recovered around what 45%,so the recovery has changed some.Even better right?

What a great game for me it was,it brought back so many good memories and times from days gone by.as well as the bad lol,mining is a hit and miss you have to take the good with the bad.


have fun and enjoy...

Happy Mining..

[Trik]

I have tested t5 wash plant and manage to pul out 11g/m³. A square was in avengers 15g/m³ was showing 6000g+ gold on drill map. And got close to 4800g of gold and on square was showing 800g left

[Heli_Professor]

Originally posted by Stoney:

So I got the drilling machine last night, did a test in 2 squares:
According to gold map:
Square 261 = 247 oz of gold.
Square 262 = 220 oz of gold.

Dug out both squares completely which equaled 4 buckets after going through mobile wash plant...and then straight to wave table.

Actuall amount I got: 34 oz 😂😂

So what gives?

You're doing better than me. Same drill results, and I'm only getting about 6-10 ounces of gold per clean out.

[schutt]

if you do the mobile washplant, one cleanout does not equal one square on the map usually. so there you would have to compare the amount of gold that was estimated in the dirt that you put in the washplant to the amount of gold that came out of that dirt.
For mobile washplant the effectiveness being about 7%-10% (without worker), consider 7% and when puting in dirt that contains 467oz the expected result is 32.60 oz of gold. So the original poster was exactly in that number.

You are not writing what exactly gave you 6-10oz of gold. i suspect that is the content of one bucket of dirt, so you getting 6oz per bucket.... but is that from a mobile washplant or from a t3 setup or something else?

Also its hard to dig exact squares, so what i do is read the expected gold in an 3x3 area, and check how much expected is left after my digging, so then i have gold that was expected to be in the dirt i did dig.