Why the low gold?

[Pammers]

So I'm moved my mining operation over to river town from old Arnold's.
I'm running the basic tier 3 set up, loading the dump truck with the large excevator. I've also Drilled holes to find pay streaks so I'm not hauling crap to my plant.

My problem is my cleanups from rivertown are producing crap.
Previously at old Arnold's, a 10 bucket 100% clean out would yield about 100-110oz total.
The same 10 bucket 100% clean out at river town is producing 10-12 oz total.
The ground has a higher amount of gold according to my drill holes but is producing well below 10% per square then what's expected, more towards 5%.

Note: I've cleared overburden and dug in the gold rich depths and produced crap.
I've put through all of the dirt in a square, overburden and deep pay dirt and pruduced crap.
I've also tried another paystreak on river town to make sure the drill holes were not bugged and still produced crap.
I'm also digging from the top down as I know this can cause problems deleting dirt.

Please help, I'm - 68k and quickly running out of fuel with no way to make money!

[kubanskiloewe]

hm, i´m a Rookie here and only at OA claim with Tier 4 now . my best result was 140oz. pure wash out. But these add 2 hogpans with its 8 mats are not worth the work ,imo, because i only get out about 2-3oz from all 8 hogpan mats !
I not sure which is the better step next; going Tier 5 and staying at OA or buy River town or rent PineValley ? idk?

[Zuleica]

Originally posted by codehorizon_mod_Egoon:

gold is random so its not a clear cut that you have more gold in the other claims. if you had a very high amount of gold in OA because of the random nr generator.... and a very low amount in rivertown... you might just be unlucky :/

The description of each claim indicates the relative amount of gold. River is suppose to be a richer claim than OA according to the description. The random amount of gold should be within a range that makes it a richer claim on average. If it's not then the way the random amount of gold is calculated is broken. If the description is meant to be an indicator of the relative value of the claim then the amount of gold should be random within a range that matches the relative value.

Certainly this is obvious?

There is no point in continuing a game if you find that the supposedly richer claims are in fact not richer. You might as well quite the game, delete the saves and start over hoping you're not wasting your time again.

[vega]

Originally posted by Pammers:

So I tried all the above.

Reset all my wash plant, moved my wave table, re Drilled the holes and still recovered no more than 13 oz on a clean up. The test holes over 2 squares estimates just over 500oz,i know you never get the full amount but 13 is waaaaaay to low so clearly something has gone drastically wrong.

I guess it's just like real life with gold miners going broke.
I'll start over again I guess, I'll make sure this time I only move claims when I have plenty of spare cash.

plenty of back up saves next time too ;) sorry your having to start over but as tony beets would say. "sucks to be you, right?"

if its any consoation i started a game on easy. im starting over on normal today as well. just wish i had a mini digger for that shovel starting area :)


you tried varifying files right?

[Pammers]

As a big fan of Mr Tony Beets, I'll agree it sucks to be me.
Its not the end of the world starting again, means I can rectify early game mistakes I made last time.

I'll definitely hold out moving claims this time though.

Vega I have not tried varifying files no? My new start game seems to be producing appropriate gold though?!

[vega]

Originally posted by Zuleica:

Originally posted by codehorizon_mod_Egoon:

gold is random so its not a clear cut that you have more gold in the other claims. if you had a very high amount of gold in OA because of the random nr generator.... and a very low amount in rivertown... you might just be unlucky :/

The description of each claim indicates the relative amount of gold. River is suppose to be a richer claim than OA according to the description. The random amount of gold should be within a range that makes it a richer claim on average. If it's not then the way the random amount of gold is calculated is broken. If the description is meant to be an indicator of the relative value of the claim then the amount of gold should be random within a range that matches the relative value.

Certainly this is obvious?

There is no point in continuing a game if you find that the supposedly richer claims are in fact not richer. You might as well quite the game, delete the saves and start over hoping you're not wasting your time again.

what he's saying is i think is that the rng overlaps so you could be very lucky on the starting claim and very unucky on the next claim. personaly i think pammers is bugged out somehow.

[codehorizon_mod_Egoon]

Originally posted by vega:

Originally posted by Zuleica:

The description of each claim indicates the relative amount of gold. River is suppose to be a richer claim than OA according to the description. The random amount of gold should be within a range that makes it a richer claim on average. If it's not then the way the random amount of gold is calculated is broken. If the description is meant to be an indicator of the relative value of the claim then the amount of gold should be random within a range that matches the relative value.

Certainly this is obvious?

There is no point in continuing a game if you find that the supposedly richer claims are in fact not richer. You might as well quite the game, delete the saves and start over hoping you're not wasting your time again.

what he's saying is i think is that the rng overlaps so you could be very lucky on the starting claim and very unucky on the next claim. personaly i think pammers is bugged out somehow.

thats what i ment indeed

[vega]

Originally posted by Pammers:

As a big fan of Mr Tony Beets, I'll agree it sucks to be me.
Its not the end of the world starting again, means I can rectify early game mistakes I made last time.

I'll definitely hold out moving claims this time though.

Vega I have not tried varifying files no? My new start game seems to be producing appropriate gold though?!

heeh i'm a big fan of them all tbh. tony beets is a hard but fair man imo. he gave parker his real apprentaship into big end mining imo - a skill for life that his grandfather started him off on (miss that guy and i didn't even know him) did you see the episode where grandad came to visit? wow

beets wants some money back on that knowlage instiled, no wonder he's paying hardball with parker. i cant wait to see how parkers going to get water to that claim he bought. me id dig a pond right there and wait for nature to fil it if thats allowed


rick ness was expecting twice as much gold from his claim it didnt happen so he's workking harder. i hope they make it.


all i hope really is that the ground is put back roughly how it was and i really hope state of alaska enforce that.

[Pammers]

So I'm just going to count that last save as a bit of bad luck on my percentages of gold on the claims. No big deal. I've started off a new game.
My game plan will definitely change this save too. I'm going to push 2 tier 2 mobile wash plants much further this time, save up so I don't need any loans (the interest sucks) and try to push towards some tier 4 equipment to start off with my dumper truck.
When summer hits I'm also going to save as much gold as I can to sell during winter too, the prices are much better.

[vega]

hehe your polish;) i knew it. where is smookie now he never streams?

i hope hes driving in his 911:P

[Pammers]

😂. I'm English.

[vega]

Originally posted by Pammers:

😂. I'm English.

hes not:P

[vega]

Originally posted by Pammers:

😂. I'm English.

not your fault btw..;)

edit hehe


i miss some engishmen but not many. im old and teamplayer.

idk? i do miss fighting against even knowing what i do today:P yes.

[Zuleica]

Originally posted by vega:

Originally posted by Zuleica:

The description of each claim indicates the relative amount of gold. River is suppose to be a richer claim than OA according to the description. The random amount of gold should be within a range that makes it a richer claim on average. If it's not then the way the random amount of gold is calculated is broken. If the description is meant to be an indicator of the relative value of the claim then the amount of gold should be random within a range that matches the relative value.

Certainly this is obvious?

There is no point in continuing a game if you find that the supposedly richer claims are in fact not richer. You might as well quite the game, delete the saves and start over hoping you're not wasting your time again.

what he's saying is i think is that the rng overlaps so you could be very lucky on the starting claim and very unucky on the next claim. personaly i think pammers is bugged out somehow.

Might be what he meant, just not what he said. Maybe they overlap, but then since the recent changes I've not seen anyone say that they are getting more gold on River than OA, seems the only reports are less. If it overlapped there should be far more players getting more gold and a few getting less. If everyone is getting less then it's an issue and needs to be looked at. If it is meant to be random with near complete overlap between claims then the description of the claims should read differently...one way or another there seems to be an issue to be looked at.

[Pammers]

Perhaps you could pay the bank for the claim to have some parts pre Drilled before leasing? Giving you an idea of the gold content avaliable?

[vega]

Originally posted by Zuleica:

Originally posted by vega:

what he's saying is i think is that the rng overlaps so you could be very lucky on the starting claim and very unucky on the next claim. personaly i think pammers is bugged out somehow.

Might be what he meant, just not what he said. Maybe they overlap, but then since the recent changes I've not seen anyone say that they are getting more gold on River than OA, seems the only reports are less. If it overlapped there should be far more players getting more gold and a few getting less. If everyone is getting less then it's an issue and needs to be looked at. If it is meant to be random with near complete overlap between claims then the description of the claims should read differently...one way or another there seems to be an issue to be looked at.

are you a dev? or do you have inside knowlage? do you know the paramiters of the overlaping if so share, your theory on people getting more gold id ike to hear..

stop looking for problems its 1 guy reporting problems so far.. lets keep this in perspective.


its some bug that reset his goldcount, he''s seeing 270+oz in the ground yet he's getting 10oz ceanouts.