Why's this game tagged as LGBTQ+?

[Nesano]

Seems pretty cool, but I wanna make sure it's not tagged as LGBTQ+ because it's unnecessarily LGBTQ+.

[Joaz]

I don't see how the making of children factor in to this. All that says about anything is exactly that, how to make children, and it doesn't require or define a default. There are also ways to have children other than two straight people having sex. It seems the further time goes on, the less our basic biology is going to matter in these things.

Yes, LGBTQ+ people are a minority. I don't think people are refuting that, and if they are they're likely delusional. There are still problems that arise because they are a minority, or problems that aren't being solved fast enough because they're a minority, and a good portion of the majority think they're degenerate or whatever else. Being a minority isn't inherently bad, but if you're a minority it's usually easier to get discriminated against or oppressed, and the actions of discrimination can often be extreme and harmful, because of harmful naratives about the minority.

I also don't know where the "hating straight people because they don't live your oppression" thing is coming from, I don't think I've seen that on this thread, or very much in general. I would imagine people going through oppression wouldn't want others to have the same experience. I've seen straight people being criticised and hated on, but for other reasons.

And yes, some people suck, but that's not a big surprise to me, personally. Because some people who belong to a certain group act like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, doesn't necessarily mean the whole movement is bad. Unfortunately there are some people who would gatekeep even sexuality and gender, those people obviously suck.

[Joaz]

oh, and also, we're talking about fiction. even if there is a default sexuality, gender, skin colour, or whatever in real life, that doesn't mean it has to be that way in fiction.

[Dr. Atrocious]

Originally posted by VenyRen:

I agree that everyone should be accepted, but LGBTQ+ people also need to accept that they are the minority in the world, and that hating on straight people because they don't live your opression is damaging to the cause.

This is pretty much impossible in the current political climate. Many are loud, selfish, obnoxious, and live in echo chambers. It's to the point that they think they are the majority. Especially the Twitter crowd and businesses that don't understand why they're going broke after getting woke.

The problems start when they try to force the idea that what most people consider to be "normal" is politically incorrect and criticize anyone that doesn't immediately conform to their ideology.

Even in this thread alone, some people have taken an "us vs. them" stance because their fragile beliefs were challenged. There's no use in making enemies when what they really need are allies. It's all very counterproductive, unfortunately.

[Lucyyyyyyyy]

yes it does haves a few characters that are LGBTQ+,no they're not unecessary,by the way only 2 characters are confirmed LGBTQ+ Jill and Dorothy,there is another characters that MAY be LGBTQ+,but the game don't show this to us immediatly,there is a few characters that mention it,but it just gives more personality to them,this game is not like 90% of netflix series,witch haves a unecessary LGBTQ+ character that don't haves any personality, this game takes care to make every single character a human,not in idiot things like having organs or even a brain,but have fellings, don't see a gender in a character,see a person.

[Danterus]

This game absolutely deserves the LGBTQ tag, like half of the characters are gay or bi. It gets pretty annoying after a while how the story just has those things pushed in even when it has little to no relevance to the story or even the characters themselves. Like how one of Alma's sisters becomes a man, which I expected to be of some importance later (hopefully to the plot but at the very least to Alma), but it ended up having no relevance to the story and not adding anything to her character, t's just thrown in because diversity, amiright. Diversity as an aspect of a game is great, diversity as a gimmick is not.

[Stahlfrau]

Originally posted by Danterus:

This game absolutely deserves the LGBTQ tag, like half of the characters are gay or bi. It gets pretty annoying after a while how the story just has those things pushed in even when it has little to no relevance to the story or even the characters themselves. Like how one of Alma's sisters becomes a man, which I expected to be of some importance later (hopefully to the plot but at the very least to Alma), but it ended up having no relevance to the story and not adding anything to her character, t's just thrown in because diversity, amiright. Diversity as an aspect of a game is great, diversity as a gimmick is not.

Mate, this is a slice-of-life visual novel. People are gay or bi or trans just cuz in real life. Those things just happen. People just talk about things for no reason. And that's what you're getting, as a bartender.
Also I'm pretty sure the only way to get the gay/bi count to about half is to include the ambiguous cases aka ships. Might be wrong on that though, it doesn't mean much regardless.

[kadu ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ]

my dude just wanted to know if the game had the tag just to have it or some of the main characters were lgbt and people are stretching on 4 pages worth of discussion

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by Nesano:

If you don't know what I mean by "unnecessarily LGBTQ+" you're not following the political climate at all. Look up "get woke, go broke."

Uh...about that.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-08-16-the-last-of-us-part-2-is-the-third-highest-grossing-game-in-the-us-in-playstation-history

The stuff that people always make fun of for being "woke" actually seems to be doing quite well these days, so I have no idea why the hell people repeat that phrase.

[Nesano]

LOL Eurogamer.

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by Nesano:

LOL Eurogamer.

Mmmkay. You can get it straight from Sony's blog if that isn't good enough for you.

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/06/26/the-last-of-us-part-ii-sells-more-than-4-million-copies/

Either way, regardless of your opinion on "woke" media, the phrase is still stupid because it's clearly the opposite and it makes sense - surely appealing to the generally politically correct public would result in overall better reception and sales, would it not? You're not going to make a lot of money by going the complete opposite direction, after all. The more safe and milquetoast something is, the broader the general appeal. "Get woke, go broke" makes absolutely no sense.

[Nesano]

Again, you're not following the political climate. I don't care if you have one example of game that sold x amount of copies, the notion that "get woke go broke" makes no sense is stupid at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by Nesano:

Again, you're not following the political climate. I don't care if you have one example of game that sold x amount of copies, the notion that "get woke go broke" makes no sense is stupid at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

The same people who use "get woke go broke" seem to also complain that we live in a society that is overly politically correct...pushing the "inclusiveness" and forcing LGBT+ characters, etc...if that's the case, then it wouldn't make sense for politically correct things with inclusiveness written all over them to NOT sell well.

[Stahlfrau]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

Originally posted by Nesano:

Again, you're not following the political climate. I don't care if you have one example of game that sold x amount of copies, the notion that "get woke go broke" makes no sense is stupid at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

The same people who use "get woke go broke" seem to also complain that we live in a society that is overly politically correct...pushing the "inclusiveness" and forcing LGBT+ characters, etc...if that's the case, then it wouldn't make sense for politically correct things with inclusiveness written all over them to NOT sell well.

♥♥♥♥ sells well because it's marketed all over the place, because it's a sequel to a critically acclaimed game, because it's made by a big company etc etc. If inclusiveness was all that's needed for a commercial success, VA-11 Hall-A would easily oversell TLOU2. Big names with big bucks is what really affects sales, politics barely affect them either way.

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by Trevoga:

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

The same people who use "get woke go broke" seem to also complain that we live in a society that is overly politically correct...pushing the "inclusiveness" and forcing LGBT+ characters, etc...if that's the case, then it wouldn't make sense for politically correct things with inclusiveness written all over them to NOT sell well.

♥♥♥♥ sells well because it's marketed all over the place, because it's a sequel to a critically acclaimed game, because it's made by a big company etc etc. If inclusiveness was all that's needed for a commercial success, VA-11 Hall-A would easily oversell TLOU2. Big names with big bucks is what really affects sales, politics barely affect them either way.

I didn't really mean to imply inclusiveness was all that was needed, but either way I agree with your point.

[Dr. Atrocious]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

Originally posted by Nesano:

LOL Eurogamer.

Mmmkay. You can get it straight from Sony's blog if that isn't good enough for you.

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/06/26/the-last-of-us-part-ii-sells-more-than-4-million-copies/

There was hype built for that game for years. Sales were guaranteed. The political factor would have made absolutely no difference for them short-term. What really matters is the long-term effects. We'll have to keep an eye on Naughty Dog and see how long they last...

A better example of success would have been Nike. A short-term failure, but long-term success. Likely due to the fact that their current largest audience is young and impressionable.

Best example of a failure is definitely Gillette. A short-term failure and ineffective long-term, having lost 8 billion shortly after their controversial ad. Their problem was the fact that their company had always been mostly apolitical, they have an older audience, and that they have powerful competitors. Their brand isn't flexible enough for this kind of stunt.

Fact of the matter is that "getting woke" is always a huge risk. Companies may not necessarily always "go broke" when they do it, but chances of them actually gaining success because of it are slim.