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My understanding is he didnt create or license the original 3D elements, he said he re-skinned them, but what does that mean, make a minor change to a .tga file and say its re-skinned?
It’s nice to see they are out there, and there are still a lot of Train Fever mods that have not been ported over, many I would love to see in Transport Fever. But I’m not sure I want to support DMA's ego if he is using 3D elements others created and he doesn't have permission to use.
On the other hand, once its on steam, and has a LOT of subs, you really can't pull it without ruining MANY MANY MANY saves/games for people. Basically the cats out of the bag and you are going to get clawed and bit trying to put it back in. You are going to do more harm then good for the game by suddenly pulling the plug.
I have stuff myself on the workshop, for space engineers, and while my stuff is nothing more then a change in scrips to make my spawn ships be the only ones, I have a fair number of subs for them. As such I will never remove them from the workshop, because I do not know if people are still using said mod and it might break entire servers. While my stuff is original content, the same principle applies, once it up and subbed to, it should not be pulled, regardless of BS.
Ban the creator ya, and never let him make content again. This would prevent the uploader from being able to update the mod, and as the game itself updates, people would eventually drop the mod due to incompatibility. Rather then just breaking games one day, its a slow, gradual, removal of the content.
Only DMA stuff I liked and used was the truck/bus stations, that had more lanes or were smaller footprint then the vanilla stuff.
Note: All the license crap and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ really needs to just go. If its a company making the claim, it can go suck a ♥♥♥♥ as all they are trying to do is to make more money off of something that is usually long dead and gone (aka they already made their buck on it). If its a person making the claim.....that one is tricky, but I would be proud that someone found a use for XX creation of mine outside of my original use of it. As long as credit is given, it really shouldn't matter.
https://www.gog.com/game/transport_fever
Not quite, according to the site:
As far as I am aware, he either has permissions, or the content is his own, or both.
He may have pulled the mods due to them all being "flagged for review" on Train Fever.net and asked FX2K to pull the mods on Steam. He hosts them on his own site where his team has full control over their availability and can subsequently copyright his team's work:
I wouldn't say it is "ego" as much as it is a smart move in reponse to someone (anon guest) coming along and claiming his mods came from another game (namely MSTS) when you have permission to use said models. TrainFever.net doesn't care about that so much as the "models came from another game", to them it does not matter that he may have either purchased the models from someone who also used them on MSTS way back when, or asked to use them and received permission, it comes from another game, therefore it may be illegal.
The legality gets confusing, but if someone made models and textures for a mod to use in Microsoft Train Simulator (no longer supported) or Open Rails, and someone asks for permission to use the meshes and textures from that content mod for use in another application, the mod author has the right to give permission to use those meshes and textures any way they choose, that is completely legal, ... hence the "explicit permissions" refered to on his site.
According to FX2K (who uploaded Danny66's stuff), the DMA mods on Steam were subsequently set to "private" so that they should not have ruined anyone's saves, for a fact, it had no effect on my saves.
The only place that his mods were removed (including his account and all of his Train Fever stuff), was on the transportfever,net site.
For the people who "reinstalled" their games (for whatever reason), the content set to "private" on Steam would no longer be available to them, hence their saves were broken. If you downloaded the mods from the other site, they would still be in the "mods" folder, so it is hard to imagine why a saved game could be broken there.
We had a real close look to those files that has been reported and can say clearly that they have been copied
As far as I have seen, these files have been uploaded again without removing definately kopied stuff.
And to be honest - writing that this stuff is not converted from other games is simply a lie. Or as some people call it nowadays: "alternative facts".
For those whose savegames were not playable anymore due to loss of these mods - there were now dummy files in the workshop that are able to replace any missing mod and makes you able to play your old savegames again.
It is even better than supporting those "modder" who don't respect other peoples work and call it their own work.
I am curious...
How did you verify the original author? From what I read, they where anonymous.
How do you know who allegedly copied who?
What model was it and do you have links to the original model it was copied from?
FWIW, I was only helping Danny to publish them because I considered them too good not to be on the workshop, I have no other other interests in the mods (apart from to use in my game) and played no part in development. Again, just curious..
For myself, I read the entire topic at the Transportfever.net site:
https://www.transportfever.net/index.php/Thread/7380-Unrechtm%C3%A4%C3%9Fige-Verwendung-von-fremden-Modellen/?pageNo=1
... and could not find where it claimed the "original" author of the MSTS mods came forward, just a "guest", nor did it specify which models were under scrutiny, which makes it difficult for anyone else to verify, wouldn't you agree?
Having searched for MSTS custom models on the few remaining sites where one can still obtain such content which has not yet been converted to OpenRails use, which is a GNU General Public Licensed game*, I couldn't find any of content that was similar to what is featured on the DMA site. If I had, I would have been able to make a clear determination and a confident decision on the subject.
* http://openrails.org/discover/license/
So, I can only respectfully submit that, given the lack of specific information available to the average individual, it becomes a "he said, she said" dispute, which means, I can only report what Transportfever.net claims and what DMA Mods claims, ... "alternative facts" is exactly what one side claims about the other, ... this helps no one to determine what is going on.
I would have to say that the answers to those questions would go a long way to dispelling any rumors, ... just saying.
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Until the dispute is resolved, I am just going to say that I leave it up to your personal choice whether to use the mods or not use them. Due to the significant lack of hard information, I can not take a side in this.
If you want to use the mods, you can get them here: http://dmamods.valdea.com
... if not, don't.
Sounds like someone made a bogus claim against the DMA stuff because they wanted to troll or intentionally hurt a popular mod.
All I am saying is, next time something like this comes up, do your homework first before pulling mods from sites.
While I know the original uploader for the steam side of things did it the smart way as to not break peoples games, those who were not so smart and didn't get the game via steam were not so lucky.
I am not sure what the "dummy" files are supposed to do, on Steam, the "missing mods" only breaks people's saved games if they happen to reinstall the entire Transport Fever game, subsequently erasing all of the mods marked "private". For those who have not reinstalled the game, everything works just fine without the "dummies".
As I understand it, the game looks for a specific folder number when loading subscribed mods?, the "dummy" files have different numbers, so how is that supposed to work? and Why would mods marked "private" break people's saved game? It had no effect on mine.
I read all the posts on transportfever.net (link above, but warning the posts are in German) and it does appear they had more then just an anonymous accusation, And they asked DMA to confirm or explain, he did not, he asked for all his mods to be deleted from the site and then DMA, not Steam, had his mods deleted from Steam through his partner.
Keep in mind it’s not that hard to decompile a mod from one game, lets say MSTS and recompile the .obj or other .3d file format to work with Transport Fever, I did it a number of times with Train Fever, but never posted those as I did not have permission from the original author.
He may be guilty for borrowing without permission, or he may have just felt threatened over the accusations and said I wont post these on the two largest distributors of mods, Steam and transportfever.net (I checked transport-games.ru and found no mention of DMA, but my Russian is worse then my German so I may have missed it) either way, DMA has never answered the question of why his 3d models matched those made by others.
So it gets down to personal ethics, his mods are in a gray area, they my be his original work, or they may have been lifted without permission, if you don't have a problem with that, download, install, and have fun, if you do have a problem with that, don't install them.
You may be wondering why both (original and DMA ones) use same numbers texture? You might even have a closer look at the textures: They are nearly the same as in MSTS only put together on one texture. You can also try to import both models into a 3D program and have a look at them. I think you won't be surprised finding identical meshes and of course identical UV-Mapping.
So when beeing asked, why didn't danny tell us his story? We didn't even ask him public - because we wanted to give him the pssibility to tell us whats the real story. But he didn't in any words. Maybe he didn't know and got the model from a different source? Then he would have told it to us. But he didn't.
In fact the owner told us all similarities and differences between MSTS and DMA models. And yes he did change the pantho.
So with this in mind (yes these trains listed above) you might read the statement on his landing page again:
"In mods creation we never used objects from other games or other programs."
You can call this as an alternativ fact, right?
Case in point, DMA had all the "rights" to use those models, regardless if he "stole" them from other games and took credit for it. Those other games no longer have the rights to the models anymore.
Basically he did nothing wrong.
Or else Ican just copy the game multiple times and resell those copies, since licenses don't apply...
You should be a lawyer SirLANsalot, total win!
You will be soo great, you will make lawyers great again!
The failing transportfever.net community is totally lying, such losers!
(Some sarcasm for a good start in the weekend ;) )