Vivian is broken.

[master_dave]

Vivian is straight broken. For one, she's unflankable. If you try to flank Vivian it's impossible because Vivian kills every flank in 2 seconds. If it wasn't easy enough for Vivian to kill flanks, oh now she has a reveal ability.

Snuck up on Vivian? Too bad now she can pull out an insta-shield WHILE still having the ability to kill you in 2 seconds.

You go up against Vivian 1v1 you're dead. That's it. No matter your skill, you're just dead 1v1. End of story.

Not just that she has a card that makes her have 30%+ movement ability! So she can run around with a shield, deal high damage and movement around with 30%+ movement? Sounds a bit broke to me.

Something needs to be nerfed. Vivian shouldn't be able have a shield AND kill the majority of champions in 2 seconds. It's just broke.

They need to nerf Vivian. Nerf her damage while using her shield. She shouldn't be able to kill you in 2 seconds while having a shield. Or make the shield take a second to activate. Vivian shouldn't be able to get caught with her pants down and just pull out a shield. That's crap.

Either nerf her shield or nerf her high damage. Something has to be nerfed.

[Azazel's Echo]

*grabs pop-corns*

[steffen1402]

Vivian is definetely flankable. If the Vivian knows hwo to deal with a flank, then it will be hard of course.
The best thing to do is to flank her after she used her shield or, when she isn't full Hp

[master_dave]

Originally posted by steffen1402:

Vivian is definetely flankable. If the Vivian knows hwo to deal with a flank, then it will be hard of course.
The best thing to do is to flank her after she used her shield or, when she isn't full Hp

Yeah, but it's not about "knowing how to deal with a flank". A Vivian can be completely braindead and kill a flank.

You can catch Vivian by complete surprise and then she just pulls out her shield and boom, you have no choice but to go away; you can't kill her. Vivian gets rewarded for having tunnel vision.

The problem with flanking AFTER she uses her shield is that you never know if she used her shield or not.

Majority of the time, you'll go back there, catch Vivian by complete surprise, but lose because she can kill you in 2 seconds and pull out a shield. You have no choice but to escape or die.

[Blackbow™]

andro , maeve, kinessa, strix, terminus, bombking... a small list of what champ can rape vivian ...

[niniusnunius]

Just delete Vivian from the game altogether. Problem solved and only booty chasing waifu lovers will cry.

[Roxor]

Btw im just curious, is Skye and Moji op too?

if thats the case, im sure youre probably new to the game
Im not degrading you, its just in low level and new level theyre some kind of op, but as you go 100 hours into the game average to high scene match, Theyre low pick (everyone experienced that theyre op too while new to the game its fine)

Skye is still a bit viable in diamond to platinum, Moji and Vivian?? hmm well most of them think so

[Roxor]

Also short reasons Moji, Vivian, Skye is not op
Moji: Very hitable, low survavibility
Vivian: No movement speed, Shield countered by shooting f e e t
Skye: No movement speed, You can counter her hard by buying iluminate rendering her invisible

Whats make all 3 of them OP in Newer play match? They excells at dealing massive damage in close combat and since newer player have a bit lack of aim its just more comfortable for them to use rapid shoots and just go straight to point or an enemy

[Justice Potato]

Originally posted by Roxor:

Vivian: No movement speed, Shield countered by shooting f e e t

Vivian doesn't need a movement ability when One Step Ahead gives her 30% movement speed.
As for shooting at feet, doesn't work when she uses low cover that can be found anywhere and even out of cover Scapegoat shifts up to 50% of damage to the shield.

The actual reason she is not OP is BK and Drogoz existing.

A Runic Ammunition Vivian with a Corvus backing her up is still the stuff of nightmares, though.

[Zarinthal]

I kill vivians with seris all day long, and im usually the one flanking her so...

[MeowMix CatFood]

Kinda. I've had so many 30+ kill ranked carries with Vivian. If a good aimer uses her, she's legit nearly un-flankable. Pro players are even picking her often now. However, most people don't know how to use her so she's not considered OP. There's some tricks you can do with Vivian that greatly increase your chances of winning but to be honest, I don't play her often because she's so boring to use.

Everyone says "shoot the feet" but that only works on noobs. There's a ton of ways to protect the feet. High ground, ramps, small cover, strafe with speed card, etc. People push me thinking they'll shoot the feet, then they die every time. You can't push a good Viv that way

To counter Viv you have to play around the shield. Get her to pop shield, then back off until it goes down. She's also vulnerable to the sides and back so baiting her out of position works.

Asking your off tank or your Term to run into her with your dps works. They can shield for the dps.

Viktor is a good counter to her because he has greater accuracy at long range and his burst out guns her across the map due to her bullet spread.

Just stop trying to run up on her when her she has shield.

[Roxor]

Originally posted by Justice Potato:

Originally posted by Roxor:

Vivian: No movement speed, Shield countered by shooting f e e t

Vivian doesn't need a movement ability when One Step Ahead gives her 30% movement speed.
As for shooting at feet, doesn't work when she uses low cover that can be found anywhere and even out of cover Scapegoat shifts up to 50% of damage to the shield.

The actual reason she is not OP is BK and Drogoz existing.

A Runic Ammunition Vivian with a Corvus backing her up is still the stuff of nightmares, though.

Youre right i always use her 30% movement speed card. My bad should've said no Escape ability

Originally posted by Justice Potato:

Originally posted by Roxor:

Vivian: No movement speed, Shield countered by shooting f e e t

The actual reason she is not OP is BK and Drogoz existing.

and any flank with decent survavibility, and hyper mobility
Which uhhh almost most of them

[Justice Potato]

I forgot to mention something very important for the discussion: Omega Vivian has a great butt and removing that from the game would be a crime.

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It's not 100% the flanks job to remove the dps. If viv still has a shield to deal with you then your dps isn't fighting her.

[Justice Potato]

Originally posted by Code E:

It's not 100% the flanks job to remove the dps. If viv still has a shield to deal with you then your dps isn't fighting her.

What do you think this is, a team game? Get out of here with that nonsense.

[SlutGdanteChosenOne14]

Balance is garbage, been garbage since paladins came out, fact. I told the devs many times over the years, what needed changed. They barely listened, they never listened to people like me. That have common sense/logic, later they started barely listening to people like me. But it was almost to late, now they still barely listen.

Really its not worth me telling them, what needs changed if they are not going to do what I tell them too. So paladins will never grow, and hirez will continue to break even or lose money.