Vatu

[Orange Madness]

Nothing more to say about this champion, then it is kind of a let down. I don't play Flanks---due to them being one-trick pony Damage wannabes---and just stick to oppressive Frontlines; mostly Khan. Vatu can be summed up as a knock-off Mavee in sense of pure annoying mobility, but has the strength of a pool noodle in all physical sense. I'm thankful it didn't turn out to be another noob-tube Champion like when Koga, Raum, and Yagorath were released, but dam Hi-Rez, this champion looks cool, sounds cool, but is kind of garbage and just makes me die inside just seeing how fast they fall. To be honest, Vora was annoying on release, and still is annoying past release.

I know that most people were probably left thinking "how broken and stupid is this champion going to be" only to find out it is nothing more than a squeaky toy or a clown horn.

I've done almost 20 games back to back today, and each and every one was a let down. Only player who played Vatu and was a challenge was someone who used to -15% cooldown talent and played Vatu like Mavee, jumping around being airborn; still kick their ass, but just barely.

[Justin Bieber]

I played him once. I like him, not that bad. Now tiberius, different story.

[Soladach]

well, unlike how most people play flank (damage-wannabes), hes a good flank. Hes supposed to get sniper and support picks, and has to tools to do that. Got an annoying strix or kinessa? send vatu, support healing too much, send vatu. People that play flanks like damages tend to loose games. Hope this gains some insight

[Soul2506]

Well good thing they didn't made this weeb trap complete braindead like zhin / koga

[Zach R.]

Originally posted by r34lian:

Well good thing they didn't made this weeb trap complete braindead like zhin / koga

Exactly, this is the first recent champ that doesn't feel busted out the gate like yago or octavia. I think once people start learning vatu's kit, he will fit in the middle of the pack for flanks. People keep comparing him to maeve, but honestly he feels more like evie with his triple blink q and then his short dash. Maybe OTP vatu's will be like OTP evie's, very strong. But for most players vatu will feel underpowered or useless. Time will tell.

[Orange Madness]

Originally posted by r34lian:

Well good thing they didn't made this weeb trap complete braindead like zhin / koga

Koga, Zhin, Vora, Raum, Yagorath, these were champions that, on release, were nothing more than noob-tube champions. I give great credit to Hi-Rez for not making Vatu into another noob-tube; thumbs up to ya's. But the problem isn't that is broken to play as or against, but rather it is just a collage of already existing champions. It has movement patterns and attacks like Mavee, so not really difficult to track and punish; it has a teleport style similar to Talus, so all you need to do is think about who they'll dash off to in order to punish.
It still is a one-trick pony like all flanks are, but the thing that kind of breaks the champion is the ability to lower cooldowns, just by landing hits; every other talent becomes obsolete as soon as you unlock this one.

[LavaAvalon]

to be fair, since yago was released, they f*cked up all the balancing, even bots can deal 2k damage in less than 1 second with any champion that isn't a tank
octavia was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that I have no idea how they thought it would be a good thing, she is weird, she creates a dome, that is basically a smoke grenade (only for enemies) and has a dps that allows her to kill a tank in a few seconds

[Church.exe]

Given I can get a 4+ kd with good strategy I would disagree here but I’m not saying he is overpowered, just skill based. Any good champion SHOULD seem crap until you learn to use them effectively since skill based reward is the foundation of good game design.

edit : to clarify, a character SEEMING powerful doesn't inherently mean this is wrong however. Octavia, in concept, is innately OP, but in practice is, in my opinion, fairly balanced. I mean passives to buff entire team, can block sightlines, can hover, can launch herself, can AOE heal AND damage all in one, etc etc etc but it is her inaccuracy which is a key factor in her balance. There are 3 stages in character assessment, reading the tin, taking a bite, and finishing the meal; on the tin Octavia looks OP, taking a bite you realize its hard to get reliable DPS due to her inaccuracy, but once you have finished the meal you know how to balance that inaccuracy for optimal results. The issues arise when you take a bite, and can already shred the enemy with no skill required. This is also only in reference to how powerful a character is on their own, inter-character dynamics, enjoyability to fight AGAINST, etc are all separate questions, although I do think Vatu is good in those areas too.

[Bumbax [iPB]]

Originally posted by Church.exe:

Given I can get a 4+ kd with good strategy I would disagree here but I’m not saying he is overpowered, just skill based. Any good champion SHOULD seem crap until you learn to use them effectively since skill based reward is the foundation of good game design.

this is right