Why is the AI garbage?

[Magnus Diesel]

Please note this was written in anger after a faulty AI player cost me several games in a row. However, I do stand by what I wrote.

WHY is the AI so BAD in this game?

I know it's intended to be PVP but let's face it, people leave and the AI takes over.

The AI gets worse with each new patch. Bot paths are broken AF and with every recent update, they seem to get more broken. Many bots like Lian and Ruckus will ult and then ult again 5 seconds later.

In vs AI, the AI on my team ALWAYS F's up while the enemy team is flawlessly in synch. My AI get stuck in spawn or on the way to the point. Their paths break and they are useless. It degrades into a 3 v 5 where I have no healer and no tank while the enemy team seems to be some hivemind that is learning from professional players. This is BS.

[SpikeVein]

For the mutilple ults from the bots. That one has a explination. If they got a kill on a player with a high enough kill streak they will get a ton of ult charge back. Ruckus will usually get two players who had a decent kill streak with his high damage ult to get a big refund back. Lian its easier since if she kills with her ult she always gets a base 50% back but then with a player with like a 15 kill streak almost insta ult back.

Of course if lian kills two with ult well 100% right there.

[Magnus Diesel]

Thankyou! That actually makes a lot of sense.

[Magnus Diesel]

But, when I played Lian this evening, I only get 50% back even if I kill 2 people so I don't think it her killing 2 people unless that part is broken for bots.

Back to the broken AI. Here's a good example from the match I played earlier tonight:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1614891396

Makoa stayed wedged in the roof all game and Grover was riding into a wall 90% of the time.
Why is this even allowed to be a thing someone would have to deal with?

All I really want to know, I guess, is this:
Is fixing this buggy AI not a priority because the devs are focusing fixing/balancing the game for their real money maker, the E Sports league, or is this buggy AI that hard to fix?
The exact reason is less important than the act of knowing the reason. I can deal with what ever the reason is but as someone who has invested in this game, I feel that I have a right to know.

With how long it's been going on, I feel the answer is they're focusing on the rebalancing the game for E Sports (which I couldn't possibly care less about even if I tried). In which case, I, as an individual who doesn't play PvP because of health reasons, feel that my money was taken and I was given a pat on the head and a condescending "don't worry, we'll fix it someday. Now shut up and buy some crystals to gamble with...I mean buy loot crates....yeah...because that's totally different."

It's just frustrating as hell and I feel like people who don't (or in my case can't) play PvP are being shafted.

[Magnus Diesel]

As far as the broken AI goes, here's a good example from the match I played earlier tonight:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1614891396

He stayed wedged in the roof all game. Why is this a thing?

[Saturn]

Please correct me if you're on the PTS, but the 2.01 patch notes do mention fixing this issue... if that helps. Something about bots/AI will now attempt to jump out of the walls they get stuck in, and something about fixing the clipping issues.

[๖ۣۜSIcario]

Originally posted by Haunter:

Please correct me if you're on the PTS, but the 2.01 patch notes do mention fixing this issue... if that helps. Something about bots/AI will now attempt to jump out of the walls they get stuck in, and something about fixing the clipping issues.

You actually believe that? lol gg

[Saturn]

Originally posted by 47:

Originally posted by Haunter:

Please correct me if you're on the PTS, but the 2.01 patch notes do mention fixing this issue... if that helps. Something about bots/AI will now attempt to jump out of the walls they get stuck in, and something about fixing the clipping issues.

You actually believe that? lol gg

Do I believe they will try? Sure, it's an issue. Do I believe it will instantly be fixed? Of course not.

[BadRushin]

The only hope we have is the promises of evil rez's The Hunt to hire more programmers and to up the game's polish
But, in reality, it is as simple as programming doesn't make as much money as selling new skins and bundles, so it is low priority.
Though, God, do I hope to be proven wrong and I will eat my foot with gusto!

[Magnus Diesel]

Stranger has it right. Sad but true, money reigns supreme.

Just found out that this game is built on the Unreal 3 engine. Same as MANY other games that DON'T have crap AI. What's REALLY "killing" me is that I'm writing a mod for Killing Floor 2 (Unreal Engine 3) and I've got a pretty good understanding of the code structure and functionality so if I could get to the damn Paladins files, I could probably fix them or at the very least try to...but they're locked server side. Not to mention then my game would fail the checks and be seen as "out of date" by the check routine and would update to be broken again. Normally the modder community would fix the dev's fubars but in the case of these games, we're locked out and at the mercy of money grubbing bureaucrats that hold the whips that drive the coders.

[Magnus Diesel]

and no, I won't apply for a job with Hi-Rez. A) I'm disabled and B) I have my pride.

[Supersoak]

Originally posted by DoktorDiesel:

As far as the broken AI goes, here's a good example from the match I played earlier tonight:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1614891396

He stayed wedged in the roof all game. Why is this a thing?

That's kind of funny tbh

[Meove]

not human-made always perfect

[76561198417646137]

they are addressing this in the coming patch, but thats hardly a guarantee that it will be "fixed"

[BadRushin]

Originally posted by ninjabread:

they are addressing this in the coming patch, but thats hardly a guarantee that it will be "fixed"

Videos from PTS seem to suggest it won't make much of a difference for now.
Hopefully, they are going to focus their "The Hunt" on bots in one of the patches just as they are promosing to do on terminus in 2.02

[State Line Crosser]

I still don't know why we have bots to replace our dc'd players. They spend your credits and waste item slots, they actually gain more credits over time which can be very beneficial if you return and they don't buy bulldozer, they happily waste your ultimate, and their only contribution is to feed the family team credits and got charge while you are reconnecting.

Even if the player never came back they aren't worth having.