Patch 2.01 and the upcoming Skye Nerf

[DaddyMouse]

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Is the nerf necessary?

I don't want to post this on the 2.01 Full Patch Notes thread because I'm only interested in talking about one champion here, which is Skye.

According to the official changelog, Patch 2.01 will bring the following:

• Render Smoke Bomb useless by removing the line of sight blocking effect
  
• Make Skye a support by letting her heal allies with smoke bomb (because that's what she truly needs, apparently)
  
• Nerf her Smoke Bomb-related cards, rendering the only working Smoke and Dagger build obsolete.
  
• Decrease Skye speed by nerfing Dissipate speed boost
  
• Making Illuminate ridiculously cheap and stackable with other defense items. Let's remember that Skye is the only champion whose core abilities can be nullified by spending 150 credits on Illuminate.

My question is here - how necessary that nerf is, and what do you guys think about it.

Personally, I haven't seen Skye being used in competitive at all (not successfully anyway), and now she will become no longer good in casual too. So my personal question to the developers is - if you guys hate Skye so much, why not removing her completely from the game? You keep nerfing her every single patch, even though she have already been the underdog since the stone age.
But that's just me. This is an open thread so let me know your thoughts.

[Agent Panda]

Dude, if this hurts you, what about Khan? His firung line talent is removed and auto grab Overpower is removed(i prefer the latter)

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ravipathak59 の投稿を引用：

Dude, if this hurts you, what about Khan? His firung line talent is removed and auto grab Overpower is removed(i prefer the latter)

But his ult damage was also buffed.... Why not just use storm of bullets and make him more dmg oriented ? he has one of the highest damages in frontlines if not the best...

To me he is jsut like ash, an aggressive tank with some tankyness.

[Ryu the Fox]

666 liveDehTesiarP の投稿を引用：

ravipathak59 の投稿を引用：

Dude, if this hurts you, what about Khan? His firung line talent is removed and auto grab Overpower is removed(i prefer the latter)

But his ult damage was also buffed.... Why not just use storm of bullets and make him more dmg oriented ? he has one of the highest damages in frontlines if not the best...

To me he is jsut like ash, an aggressive tank with some tankyness.

is dmg output is not really big... Nando, Koa and Inara can have dealed the double amount of dmg what Khan dealed in a singel match

[[:TMSA:] The Xenoborg]

But the ability to re-stealth every 0.5 seconds while in smoke is a buff and a quite useful one. Though I'd like it if we could increase the radius of the smoke screen using cards.

[Kapitan Findus]

The card Healing Vapors will now reapply every .5 seconds so if it stacks it is going to be a big heal and also the heal skye build seems fun, i like the change myself

[Soul2506]

Nerf her almost every single patch it hurts as a skye main first the ammo damage decreased then stealth sound now the smoke screen like seriously hirez what's wrong why do they keep nerf ing her when there are more cheesy and op champions as well as talents !!!
If they really care about newbies cries then why don't they delete lex , zhin , wormhole , royal subjects etc there are more to nerf then simply going after my girl😢😢

[Ryu the Fox]

r34lian の投稿を引用：

Nerf her almost every single patch it hurts as a skye main first the ammo damage decreased then stealth sound now the smoke screen like seriously hirez what's wrong why do they keep nerf ing her when there are more cheesy and op champions as well as talents !!!

Get gud

[Von]

It's because Skye has easy and instant access to stealth. Stealth is inherently un-fun to play against, especially in a game like Paladins that already has some directional sound issues (that has been worked on and are definitely better than in the beta, but still not perfect). This game in particular, stealth is pretty powerful because short of buying Illuminate or them getting very close to you, there's no other way to tell a stealthed player is near you. This will always keep Skye on the receiving end of nerfs, just like every single other stealth focused character in any game. I mean, look at Overwatch - Sombra's most popular playstyle on release was essentially support, keeping health packs hacked for as long as possible to generate ult charge and force big fights with hacked enemy teams. Her ability to deal damage or stick to characters like somebody like Tracer or Genji is way reduced though, because she can push a button and be stealthed.

I think the changes are good because a more normalized Skye will not only be easier to play against but easier to play as, imo - right now as a not super experienced Skye player it isn't always clear when vision is going to be obstructed, so replacing it with a mechanic already in the game rather than some very specific mechanic that only exists on that one skill makes it more useable in a lot of ways. I don't think there's really any way to know until we see it - but it seems like it will actually be more useful as a defensive ability as the personal stealth lasts longer and the healing card can be reapplied (it seems).

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

Gonna be frank here, its nerf she kinda needed, i know in the meta she isn't good but here is the thing a good skye is the most ANNOYING thing you can fight, Most good skyes use that bloody 600 aoe smoke screen and can get away since you know, no way of seeing her unless you buy illimunate.....and unless the skye is stupid enough to walk infront of you.... most good skyes won't do that

[[:TMSA:] The Xenoborg]

Darkronous the Supreme Senpai の投稿を引用：

Gonna be frank here, its nerf she kinda needed, i know in the meta she isn't good but here is the thing a good skye is the most ANNOYING thing you can fight, Most good skyes use that bloody 600 aoe smoke screen and can get away since you know, no way of seeing her unless you buy illimunate.....and unless the skye is stupid enough to walk infront of you.... most good skyes won't do that

The problem with many good Skyes was that even illuminate didn't help much due to the inconsistent behaviour of the LOS/stealth mechanic which is what has been addressed in the new patch. Now that's out of the way, we won't struggle much against Skyes taking advantage of a broken/incomplete stealth mechanic. The new update to her smoke screen seems more polished.

[★ Bartes ★]

i wont lie but those nerfs for Khan and Skye garbage

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Daddy With A Tail の投稿を引用：

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Is the nerf necessary?

I don't want to post this on the 2.01 Full Patch Notes thread because I'm only interested in talking about one champion here, which is Skye.

According to the official changelog, Patch 2.01 will bring the following:

• Render Smoke Bomb useless by removing the line of sight blocking effect
  
• Make Skye a support by letting her heal allies with smoke bomb (because that's what she truly needs, apparently)
  
• Nerf her Smoke Bomb-related cards, rendering the only working Smoke and Dagger build obsolete.
  
• Decrease Skye speed by nerfing Dissipate speed boost
  
• Making Illuminate ridiculously cheap and stackable with other defense items. Let's remember that Skye is the only champion whose core abilities can be nullified by spending 150 credits on Illuminate.

My question is here - how necessary that nerf is, and what do you guys think about it.

Personally, I haven't seen Skye being used in competitive at all (not successfully anyway), and now she will become no longer good in casual too. So my personal question to the developers is - if you guys hate Skye so much, why not removing her completely from the game? You keep nerfing her every single patch, even though she have already been the underdog since the stone age.
But that's just me. This is an open thread so let me know your thoughts.

skye is op n annoying

[MidNightFireX®]

Although I really like skye, her damages should be dropped some.
Not to a point where other worthless champions can beat her without much effort.
If anything needs a good nerf, that is strix, kinessa, Moji crap and koga needs a good damage rebalance again.

[DaddyMouse]

Thank you for the comments guys, I like seeying so many different opinions on the topic.

For now, I suppose we have a consensus that those changes are a nerf, not a buff.

From what I see, @Von Arlin is the only one who says otherwise - the smoke bomb stealth reactivation and healing could make Skye better.

I also agree with you that these changes will make Skye more predictable in all areas - Debilitate will become the only viable legendary, Skye will now only rely on "raw" stealth and in order to counter that, people will only have to spend 450 credits for Illuminate 2 (which is more than enough to spot Skye before she raeches her effective combat range). Since now people will be able to combine Illuminate with other defense cards, there will be less of a dilemma regarding whether to sacrifice Haven/Resi and get Illum. Countering Skye will now be pretty straightforward, especially for somewhat experienced players.

Here's a question for you guys.
Unlike other flankers, Skye has neither vertical nor horizontal mobility. Hell, even most damagers and tanks have a way to dash, jump, fly, etc. Not Skye. Unpredictability was the only thing that used to allow me to get kills as Skye (I'm a natural level 70 Skye, played her since the beginning).
My question is - what do you think guys, maybe it would be a better idea to replace smoke bomb with a grappling hook or something that would give Skye the ability to climb and/or move around?
Because as some of you pointed out earlier, Skye is now more damager than ever (thanks to the increased magazine size cards and vulnerability to Illuminate). What are your thoughts?

[Soul2506]

Darkronous the Supreme Senpai の投稿を引用：

Gonna be frank here, its nerf she kinda needed, i know in the meta she isn't good but here is the thing a good skye is the most ANNOYING thing you can fight, Most good skyes use that bloody 600 aoe smoke screen and can get away since you know, no way of seeing her unless you buy illimunate.....and unless the skye is stupid enough to walk infront of you.... most good skyes won't do that

Ok I accept that good skye is annoying how about that cancer warmhole?