Ranked TP

[Blindkitty]

i love that now every time i lose a ranked game i lose 9 tp and on a win i only get 11. thanks to low rez a win in ranked is almost nothing now and a loss is like an instant set back. got to love this game am i right?

[SirPotato]

Originally posted by blindkittycat:

i love that now every time i lose a ranked game i lose 9 tp and on a win i only get 11. thanks to low rez a win in ranked is almost nothing now and a loss is like an instant set back. got to love this game am i right?

if you have this i have worse i only win about 8 and lose 15-16

[Ham]

after going on an epic loosing streak, i noticed my TP was -15 for loss and +6 for win.

What is happening is my MMR tanked so hard because of my loss streak, that it thinks i should be in a lower rank than i am. So it tries to correct my rank by making me lose rank faster unless i turn it around and start winning alot.

This continues until you stop losing more than you win, then your rank will stabilize with your (hidden) MMR.

The MMR is basically an ELO system.
In an ELO system if you are facing an equally ranked opponent you will gain or lose the same amount of points.
If you are equally skilled then you should win 50% of the time, and your rank will stay the same no matter how many games you play against that opponent.
If you win more than you lose then you are a more skilled player and your rank will go up but you will now gain less points for beating the lesser ranked opponent.

Whats happening in paladins is your MMR will change much faster than your rank.
so its putting you in with lesser skilled opponents to match your MMR, but scoring your points on your rank not your MMR.

It works the same the other way aswell, if you win way more than you lose you will gain more TP per win, and you will even skip ranks when you rank up.

[SirPotato]

Originally posted by Ham:

after going on an epic loosing streak, i noticed my TP was -15 for loss and +6 for win.

What is happening is my MMR tanked so hard because of my loss streak, that it thinks i should be in a lower rank than i am. So it tries to correct my rank by making me lose rank faster unless i turn it around and start winning alot.

This continues until you stop losing more than you win, then your rank will stabilize with your (hidden) MMR.

The MMR is basically an ELO system.
In an ELO system if you are facing an equally ranked opponent you will gain or lose the same amount of points.
If you are equally skilled then you should win 50% of the time, and your rank will stay the same no matter how many games you play against that opponent.
If you win more than you lose then you are a more skilled player and your rank will go up but you will now gain less points for beating the lesser ranked opponent.

Whats happening in paladins is your MMR will change much faster than your rank.
so its putting you in with lesser skilled opponents to match your MMR, but scoring your points on your rank not your MMR.

It works the same the other way aswell, if you win way more than you lose you will gain more TP per win, and you will even skip ranks when you rank up.

I agree with you but the MMR and ELO are just luck based I don't know when i carry with nando doing 120K dmg and 70K shielding and 52 Eliminations and 400 OBJ time I lose the same TP like our viktor who did less dmg than ying !

[Ham]

Originally posted by Younesnake:

I agree with you but the MMR and ELO are just luck based I don't know when i carry with nando doing 120K dmg and 70K shielding and 52 Eliminations and 400 OBJ time I lose the same TP like our viktor who did less dmg than ying !

Oh i agree.

The problem with the MMR is its based on your teams win or loss ratio, and if you are queing solo it is 100% random whether you get a good team. So its not a very accurate way to judge skill levels for matchmaking.

The other problem is parties, lots of people party, and why not its a team based game.
The problem is lots of low ranks getting carried by decent teams up into diamond/plat.
Once in Diamond, there are no more parties, so the good players on the team continue on in diamond, and the bad player who got carried there is stuck solo queing and drop into platinum.

Platinum has so many bad players who barely have a grasp on basic game mechanics.
And they are mixed in with players who should be in plat.
All you need is a 2-3 of these players on your team and its over, nothing you can do.

[SirPotato]

Originally posted by Ham:

Originally posted by Younesnake:

I agree with you but the MMR and ELO are just luck based I don't know when i carry with nando doing 120K dmg and 70K shielding and 52 Eliminations and 400 OBJ time I lose the same TP like our viktor who did less dmg than ying !

Oh i agree.

The problem with the MMR is its based on your teams win or loss ratio, and if you are queing solo it is 100% random whether you get a good team. So its not a very accurate way to judge skill levels for matchmaking.

The other problem is parties, lots of people party, and why not its a team based game.
The problem is lots of low ranks getting carried by decent teams up into diamond/plat.
Once in Diamond, there are no more parties, so the good players on the team continue on in diamond, and the bad player who got carried there is stuck solo queing and drop into platinum.

Platinum has so many bad players who barely have a grasp on basic game mechanics.
And they are mixed in with players who should be in plat.
All you need is a 2-3 of these players on your team and its over, nothing you can do.

the issue there is some lucky guys that get master when they are lvl 20 and then troll and make all the team lose and lose the rank like that noob

[VaciVt]

The algorithm pre-determined with total elo of your team and compare it with total elo of the other team. A perfect match is rarely happens so one of the team will either have slightly better chance of winning than the other.

By that, if you are the better team and if you win you will get an amount of TP but if the worst team win they will get more TP.

TL;DR: underdogs will gain more TP if win.

[Ham]

Originally posted by VaciVt:

The algorithm pre-determined with total elo of your team and compare it with total elo of the other team. A perfect match is rarely happens so one of the team will either have slightly better chance of winning than the other.

By that, if you are the better team and if you win you will get an amount of TP but if the worst team win they will get more TP.

TL;DR: underdogs will gain more TP if win.

This is how ELO works yes, but in Paladins you score TP based on your Rank vs your MMR.

EG: after my epic loss streak i was losing -15 TP per loss and +6 for win.
my MMR was low so i was being matched with low MMR players (silver/gold range) but my
rank was still in platinum so it was like a 2000elo player being forced to play 1600elo players.

last night i went 12-1, it took a win streak like that to start gaining +11 TP per win again, it slowly climbed from +6TP to +11TP as i won. Because i was bringing my MMR back in line to what my Rank was

[VaciVt]

Originally posted by Ham:

Originally posted by VaciVt:

The algorithm pre-determined with total elo of your team and compare it with total elo of the other team. A perfect match is rarely happens so one of the team will either have slightly better chance of winning than the other.

By that, if you are the better team and if you win you will get an amount of TP but if the worst team win they will get more TP.

TL;DR: underdogs will gain more TP if win.

This is how ELO works yes, but in Paladins you score TP based on your Rank vs your MMR.

EG: after my epic loss streak i was losing -15 TP per loss and +6 for win.
my MMR was low so i was being matched with low MMR players (silver/gold range) but my
rank was still in platinum so it was like a 2000elo player being forced to play 1600elo players.

last night i went 12-1, it took a win streak like that to start gaining +11 TP per win again, it slowly climbed from +6TP to +11TP as i won. Because i was bringing my MMR back in line to what my Rank was

Yes it's more complicated than what I said above, and yes they consider your rank tier, winning/losing streak, how many games you played etc. The variant is actually pretty big and I think in my opinion after 100 matches is where we are actually fairly placed.

[Ham]

Originally posted by VaciVt:

Yes it's more complicated than what I said above, and yes they consider your rank tier, winning/losing streak, how many games you played etc. The variant is actually pretty big and I think in my opinion after 100 matches is where we are actually fairly placed.

Yes well as i stated above most players are not fairly placed, because its basing your individual skill on team win loss ratio.

Anyways the OP was about why you get less TP per win, and it has very little to do with one teams MMR vs the other. Its your MMR vs your rank.