A small nerf to Seris

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I suggest increase the CD on her healing. RN she can heal 4000 health every 8 seconds. The others healers have nowhere near the ability to heal that much in such a little amount of time. Seris is the most dominant healer and I would like to see some competition in the support area. Why choose Ying or Pip if I can go with Seris the best support.

Yes she can only do single target heals, but getting soul forge IV is a must have that turns her heals to every 2 seconds. Every 8 seconds she can heal 8000 health. Obviously the enemy can buy cauterize, yet it's not hard to dive into cover for 1.5 seconds and then let the effects wear off. Plus include Champions who have shields or walls or the ability to make themselves immune to effects it's like caut doesn't even matter anymore. I do not want to see Seris completely dominate the support role I want to see some type of competition.

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Hollow a écrit :

Caut 1 = seris heals for 2.1k Caut 2 = Seris heals for 1.2k Caut 3= Seris heals for 300 hp Total hp healed calculations(This being mortal reach as well), Seris is more like old torvald strong early game but falls off later once caut starts running. Caut just kills seris so much no matter how fast you can heal.

Do you know how many champions have shields, walls and cleanse abilities? Caut means nothing to Seris because it's so easy to prevent from affecting you. Either shield yourself then bam your gonna have to go around in the middle of the enemy team to affect the FL putting you in the middle of them.

Put up a wall or something else to take the damage for you and again you can sit back and let caut wear off as your wall or something else protects you. Or you can just cleanse it like nine lives or ghost walk which removes caut. Now are you seeing how little caut can matter at times?

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BenMal59 a écrit :

I never really understand why people think Seris requires no positioning skills, because considering how Restore Soul works and if you play with Mortal Reach (which is a much needed pick if you're the only Support in your team) and of course depending on the map layout, you NEED positioning to be able to efficiently heal all of your teammates in the most efficient way possible (even those Damage/Flank mains spamming VHS while they're two or more against a "insert champ name" they somehow can't handle). Positioning is mostly the thing that separates the good and the bad Seris players.

From my experience, Seris is the easiest Support to do decently with but one of the hardest (except Mal Damba, he easily is the hardest Support to do really good with match after match) to master and the irony is that she's rather hard/tricky to master because she's really easy to use rather decently making most players who pick her think they'll do good no matter what just because they picked her. The fact that she can't deal damage/defend herself while healing and vice versa is a concept that most players who pick her can't seem to grasp and the amount of bad Serises (Rambo-Serises included), and there's a lot of them, mostly stems from this.

This {LIEN SUPPRIMÉ}(http://imgur.com/YBz1W6n) is what I can do now as Seris when I'm playing seriously (which honestly doesn't happen as often as I which it did), after I spent days of trying to play Seris in different ways and with different loadouts. Back when I started playing her I was nowhere near those stats, I died a lot more and had either an outstanding healing score but pitiful damage or slightly above average healing and slightly under average damage.

She requires positioning she just requires much less unlike supports like Grover, Ying, or Mal'damba. Her heal is so ungodly safe and 9/10 your flank or damage that are low on health will run away and come to you and because of the ranged heal you can easily save them.

If you watch matches with Seris in them the healing they do is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane. It's not hard to heal with Seris because her heals are quick ranged and go through walls. With mortal reach and soul forge IV she is pumping out 3000 heals every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ second.

She can easily heal her tanks so much better than every other support. Even with cards the highest I've seen is a Mal'damba heal 3000 hp, but that's nowhere near Seris ability to heal that amount every second.

[LunarGatta]

Nerf Seris, Mal damba will be best, nerf Damba, nerf seris, nerf damba, nerf ying, grover, grohk, NERF EVERYONE.

Because nerfing everything will end well.

Anyway, Seris is easy to pick up and hard to master. Yes she heals a lot, learn to play and counter her. The amount of times i lock out a seris from healing just by being BETTER is obscenely high. A good flank can easily shut down a seris. Kill her on the first try? Not likely unless you're andro and have good aim for the face. But you can force her in shadow travel, shadow travel = no healing = time for you and your team to kill her team. She shows up again? Hunt her ASAP since she will likely be around her team mates and end her.

Instead of nerfing the ONE good healer, buff the useless(grohk) and weak ones(grover, ying.)

If we start nerfing everything then it will end up in a vicious cycle of nerfing everything you can't deal with. Which is exactly what caused OB53 disaster.

Edit: Plus, some of the healers you called weak are pretty powerful, the problem are the PLAYERS.

Stop nerfing and buffing based on weak players incompetence.

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Mr. Murica a écrit :

I suggest increase the CD on her healing. RN she can heal 4000 health every 8 seconds. The others healers have nowhere near the ability to heal that much in such a little amount of time. Seris is the most dominant healer and I would like to see some competition in the support area. Why choose Ying or Pip if I can go with Seris the best support.

Yes she can only do single target heals, but getting soul forge IV is a must have that turns her heals to every 2 seconds. Every 8 seconds she can heal 8000 health. Obviously the enemy can buy cauterize, yet it's not hard to dive into cover for 1.5 seconds and then let the effects wear off. Plus include Champions who have shields or walls or the ability to make themselves immune to effects it's like caut doesn't even matter anymore. I do not want to see Seris completely dominate the support role I want to see some type of competition.

lol pip can heal tons if a group stack with the right cards xD

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TheCampingOwl a écrit :

Nerf Seris, Mal damba will be best, nerf Damba, nerf seris, nerf damba, nerf ying, grover, grohk, NERF EVERYONE.

Because nerfing everything will end well.

Anyway, Seris is easy to pick up and hard to master. Yes she heals a lot, learn to play and counter her. The amount of times i lock out a seris from healing just by being BETTER is obscenely high. A good flank can easily shut down a seris. Kill her on the first try? Not likely unless you're andro and have good aim for the face. But you can force her in shadow travel, shadow travel = no healing = time for you and your team to kill her team. She shows up again? Hunt her ASAP since she will likely be around her team mates and end her.

Instead of nerfing the ONE good healer, buff the useless(grohk) and weak ones(grover, ying.)

If we start nerfing everything then it will end up in a vicious cycle of nerfing everything you can't deal with. Which is exactly what caused OB53 disaster.

Um, I don't know about you, but Hi-Rez isn't gonna go on a nerfing spree there will be no vicious cycle. I am only saying nerf Seris to give other supports a chance. You believe Hi-Rez will actually buff supports well?

AHAHHAA, oh God that's funny. They decided not to buff Grover's heal and then go and nerf his axe. They nerfed Ying for no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to reason several times, and Ghrok after all these months still needs actual buffs. So no Hi-Rez as of right now has no idea how to handle your healers/supports.

Oh ok try and get Seris who is right next to her BK and Makoa. A good support stays close to their FL and close enough to their damage to run back to them so their damage can shred anyone who is chasing said support. Probably bad Seris if they were shut down so easily. Their is a reason why every pro team has and will pick Seris. There needs to be competition in the support role, but because of Seris their isn't.

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Um yeah Pip can heal a good amount for a group. Seris on the other hand can heal everyone for 3000 health in 4 seconds :/.

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Mr. Murica a écrit :

I suggest increase the CD on her healing. RN she can heal 4000 health every 8 seconds. The others healers have nowhere near the ability to heal that much in such a little amount of time. Seris is the most dominant healer and I would like to see some competition in the support area. Why choose Ying or Pip if I can go with Seris the best support.

Yes she can only do single target heals, but getting soul forge IV is a must have that turns her heals to every 2 seconds. Every 8 seconds she can heal 8000 health. Obviously the enemy can buy cauterize, yet it's not hard to dive into cover for 1.5 seconds and then let the effects wear off. Plus include Champions who have shields or walls or the ability to make themselves immune to effects it's like caut doesn't even matter anymore. I do not want to see Seris completely dominate the support role I want to see some type of competition.

lol pip can heal tons if a group stack with the right cards xD

Pip promoting bad behavior like grouping. You never want to group in one spot because then enemies can wipe all group together.

[Titus]

Seris is really only a problem at high ELO. Perfect players and near perfect players never die because of her two ways of survival (Q and F). It also doesn't help that she has the most/second most healing in the game, only behind Mal Damba in high ELO. She can also change her healing target in just a few moments so cauterize isn't a problem for her.

It's up to Hi Rez whether high ELO or low ELO should be the priority for balancing. I predict that Seris won't get buffed or nerfed any time soon.

[BenMal]

Mr. Murica a écrit :

BenMal59 a écrit :

I never really understand why people think Seris requires no positioning skills, because considering how Restore Soul works and if you play with Mortal Reach (which is a much needed pick if you're the only Support in your team) and of course depending on the map layout, you NEED positioning to be able to efficiently heal all of your teammates in the most efficient way possible (even those Damage/Flank mains spamming VHS while they're two or more against a "insert champ name" they somehow can't handle). Positioning is mostly the thing that separates the good and the bad Seris players.

From my experience, Seris is the easiest Support to do decently with but one of the hardest (except Mal Damba, he easily is the hardest Support to do really good with match after match) to master and the irony is that she's rather hard/tricky to master because she's really easy to use rather decently making most players who pick her think they'll do good no matter what just because they picked her. The fact that she can't deal damage/defend herself while healing and vice versa is a concept that most players who pick her can't seem to grasp and the amount of bad Serises (Rambo-Serises included), and there's a lot of them, mostly stems from this.

This (http://imgur.com/YBz1W6n) is what I can do now as Seris when I'm playing seriously (which honestly doesn't happen as often as I which it did), after I spent days of trying to play Seris in different ways and with different loadouts. Back when I started playing her I was nowhere near those stats, I died a lot more and had either an outstanding healing score but pitiful damage or slightly above average healing and slightly under average damage.

She requires positioning she just requires much less unlike supports like Grover, Ying, or Mal'damba. Her heal is so ungodly safe and 9/10 your flank or damage that are low on health will run away and come to you and because of the ranged heal you can easily save them.

If you watch matches with Seris in them the healing they do is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane. It's not hard to heal with Seris because her heals are quick ranged and go through walls. With mortal reach and soul forge IV she is pumping out 3000 heals every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ second.

She can easily heal her tanks so much better than every other support. Even with cards the highest I've seen is a Mal'damba heal 3000 hp, but that's nowhere near Seris ability to heal that amount every second.

Her greatest weakness is being focused by two enemies who will chase her down all match long, keeping her from healing her teammates by making her focus on her own survival. While a good Seris player will be able to evade this strat, most Seris players, who, honestly, are really bad will not survive this and will heal for a pitiful amount on that match.

And she can't really heal through walls, she can only channel her healing through them which is a big difference, if she could really heal through walls, then she woud be OP as hell but that's not the case.

The whole point of Mortal Reach is to turn Seris into a healing machine and by picking it, you sacrifice the bonus utility you could have by picking Agony. While I'm on utility, Mal Damba has a little less healing output (on average, because a good Mal Damba player, although very rare, will be able to heal as much as a good Seris player, the only thing she'll do better than him is surviving) than Seris but a lot more utility in his Gourd CC with Ripened Gourd and his reload stuns. Both of them can heal tremendously well, and picking one or the other is more a question of wether you need more CC to help your teammate or think raw healing will be enough.

Now on to nerfs/buffs: Mal Damba and Seris are fine as they are right now as they have the ability to "counter" Cauterize, by either having a low cooldown healing ability in Seris' case or two healing abilities in Damba's case. However, every other Support need a buff and/or a rework in their healing abilities to become viable picks again. Saying Seris needs a nerf just because she can heal more than other Support champs is the same as saying Drogoz would need a nerf just because he deals more damage than a Viktor or a Cassie for example: it's plain stupid.

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You people on steam clearly haven't played against good seris with a good team which helps her deal with flanks or others.She can survive against good flanks by herself if she has decent aim.

TheCampingOwl a écrit :

Nerf Seris, Mal damba will be best, nerf Damba, nerf seris, nerf damba, nerf ying, grover, grohk, NERF EVERYONE.
Because nerfing everything will end well.

If we start nerfing everything then it will end up in a vicious cycle of nerfing everything you can't deal with. Which is exactly what caused OB53 disaster

Nerfing is necesaary.There are many people here who gets triggered when anybody asks for any nerf even if it was old drogoz and bk but they end up getting nerfed.You said seris is hard to master.Can you explain it?

Ob53 disaster in your opinion only because Evie lost her blink bonus right?Many champs got buffed by having increased projectile speed .Others champs also gets buffed in different ways and it brought some champs back to meta.

[BenMal]

=H= Solid Snake a écrit :

You people on steam clearly haven't played against good seris with a good team which helps her deal with flanks or others.She can survive against good flanks by herself if she has decent aim.

TheCampingOwl a écrit :

Nerf Seris, Mal damba will be best, nerf Damba, nerf seris, nerf damba, nerf ying, grover, grohk, NERF EVERYONE.
Because nerfing everything will end well.

If we start nerfing everything then it will end up in a vicious cycle of nerfing everything you can't deal with. Which is exactly what caused OB53 disaster

Nerfing is necesaary.There are many people here who gets triggered when anybody asks for any nerf even if it was old drogoz and bk but they end up getting nerfed.You said seris is hard to master.Can you explain it?

Ob53 disaster in your opinion only because Evie lost her blink bonus right?Many champs got buffed by having increased projectile speed .Others champs also gets buffed in different ways and it brought some champs back to meta.

OB53 was a disaster because the only "good" change it brought was Grover's. Everything else was pretty much garbage.

Nerfs aren't always the solution and aren't always necessary. It is sometimes better to buff all other champs of the class instead of nerfing one champ of the class. This is the case with the Support champs in Paladins.

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Mr. Murica a écrit :

Lie Chen Zhou a écrit :

buff other supports instead of nerfing Seris are better IMO.

Hi-Rez has already shown they are bad at buffing supports. Grover got no buff to his one thousand health heal that's literally every 12 seconds. They decided to nerf Ying several times for no reason. Ghrok is still is in need of help. It's pretty much annoying how Hi-Rez handle theirs support.

Or they could loosen up on healing and focus their champions in other methods of Support. I can give a few examples as well.

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Hi-Rez has shown how bad hey are at handling their supports. Ying was nerfed several times for no reason Grover never got a buff to his horrible heals and Ghrok after all this time still hasn't been buffed or reworked. Seris is completely dominant in the support role. Like how Drogoz and BK were dominant in the damage role after well deserved nerf there is finally competition in the damage role.

Are you seriously comparing Mal'damba's heals to Seris saying they're equal? Comparing a Seris and Mal'damba of equal skill Mal'damba would be crushed under Seris boot his healing/supportive abilities is nowhere near her's.

Slows mean nothing in this game where people can cleanse, dash, teleport, jump, run etc. add the fact that Mal'damba can only stun one person (if he actually gets lucky and lands it) what's it going to do? It hurts a second plus the enemy healer can heal any damage back up. Mal'damba only real CC is his ult which is nothing compared to Convergence.

Cauterize is so easy to negate both me and Lie Chou Zhong have explained it. The amount of champions with cleanse, walls, shields and cauterize is basically laughable now plus you can just dive into cover let caut wear out then get healed then bam no more than 4 seconds your back in.

If I must sacrifice two members of the team just to kill Seris (add the fact that she is near her damage and FL) is ridiculous. It turns the game into a 3v5 and even then the enemy damage would stay near Seris and drive off the attackers. Their is a reason Seris is always picked to be the support in the pro scene. Seris needs some small nerfs to her healing and or survivability.

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Dante a écrit :

Mr. Murica a écrit :

Hi-Rez has already shown they are bad at buffing supports. Grover got no buff to his one thousand health heal that's literally every 12 seconds. They decided to nerf Ying several times for no reason. Ghrok is still is in need of help. It's pretty much annoying how Hi-Rez handle theirs support.

Or they could loosen up on healing and focus their champions in other methods of Support. I can give a few examples as well.

Sure go ahead man I'm all ears.

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Mr. Murica a écrit :

Dante a écrit :

Or they could loosen up on healing and focus their champions in other methods of Support. I can give a few examples as well.

Sure go ahead man I'm all ears.

Well, turn Grohk into a speed support. He slows enemies down and speeds allies up. It is one of the most basic things anyone could do. It's almost basic enough to be generic, but still better then another healer who heals less.

Pip is hard to say, because while others class him as Flexible, I see it as the developers adding way too many ideas to one champion instead of making an actual playstyle.

I also had a champion idea for a Rover droid disc type thing, but I can't find it, so I'll just explain the basics.

He would hover on someones shoiulder, have 1.5K HP including a shields, but his HP pool would be added to who ever he was hovering above. He would be able to restore ammo, or alternatively shields for tanks.

There are probably more ways, but do to a lack of champions and me wanting to think right now, this will do.