About the Maeve Nerf

[My Bloody Valentine]

I know, I know. It's been done to death already, people whining and complaining and ♥♥♥♥. But I feel the need to ask: Why not stop at Nine Lives no longer healing? As a Maeve main, I know it felt unfair hearing that at first, but I'm fine with it. That's what Kill To Heal is for. But Pounce and Prowl? Come on. That's too far for someone not even competitively viable in the first place. I'm personally hoping they'll not go through with it, but I'd like to hear others opinions about it(me being biased and all).

[🎃MaximusBlastalot🎃]

Becus none of it should be happening to begin with its basicly pandering to pepople who dont want to learn or simply are annoyed by the charcters ( I personaly dont like her but shes not op nor am I going to sit here and basicly lie becus I dislike something).

The last nerf were already semi out of place as they knockdown her speed instead of dealing with street credit which is the issue with maeve(along with maybe scar tissue for simlar reasons) along with possibly her triple jump legendary being overtuned.

[Lie Chen Zhou]

Why is she nerfed based on newbies? She is fine at the moment, I even had several matches with Maeves that complained about being killed against other flanks (I was like.. D'oh)

Buck/Androx is the current powerful flankers not Maeve...

[Yoda Nobunaga]

Originally posted by Ashes:

I know, I know. It's been done to death already, people whining and complaining and ♥♥♥♥. But I feel the need to ask: Why not stop at Nine Lives no longer healing? As a Maeve main, I know it felt unfair hearing that at first, but I'm fine with it. That's what Kill To Heal is for. But Pounce and Prowl? Come on. That's too far for someone not even competitively viable in the first place. I'm personally hoping they'll not go through with it, but I'd like to hear others opinions about it(me being biased and all).

This is what happens when mom favorites the younger child. You could be in your 20s and he/she's still 11 and mom will still pander to them despite your wisdom and knowledge. Hi-Rez is mom, you are the knowledgable ones, and the people who got there way are the whiny 11 year old child. Someone needs to talk some sense into mom and mom needs to give the kid a good spankin'.

[Project 39]

I do agree with a nerf to her sustain(though a healing reduction would have been better than removing it IMO), and I don't play enough Maeve to know if the cooldowns are justified, but I don't think the things that directly affect mobility should be nerfed, I think the distance of her dash and her speed during prowl were fine where they were.

[Project 39]

Originally posted by Lie Chen Zhou:

Buck/Androx is the current powerful flankers not Maeve...

Evie would like a word with you

[Yoda Nobunaga]

Originally posted by Lie Chen Zhou:

Why is she nerfed based on newbies? She is fine at the moment, I even had several matches with Maeves that complained about being killed against other flanks (I was like.. D'oh)

Buck/Androx is the current powerful flankers not Maeve...

Have you faught against a skilled Evie? Probably not, they're rare. But when they show up they make Maeve look like a child while she looks like Genghis Khan. Admittedly Maeve can be Atillia the Hun, too, but Genghis was much, MUCH more terrifying. She just rolls the inexperienced very well. They were talking about nerfing Torvald's shield because people in LOWER ranks weren't getting wrecker, but they failed to realize that no amount of nerfing will encourage them to buy wrecker. Y'know how you get them to counter Torvald? In the tips say "To counter a shield buy wrecker, ya git". You have these tips! Use them! Besides, what about when they HAVE figured out they need to use Wrecker. What will you do, then? He's on an even playing field right now because people at mid and late ranks know what to do. Nerfing isn't going to change the fact that new players are freakin' dumb.

[Lie Chen Zhou]

Originally posted by FiddleRiddle DiddleDiddle:

Originally posted by Lie Chen Zhou:

Why is she nerfed based on newbies? She is fine at the moment, I even had several matches with Maeves that complained about being killed against other flanks (I was like.. D'oh)

Buck/Androx is the current powerful flankers not Maeve...

Have you faught against a skilled Evie? Probably not, they're rare. But when they show up they make Maeve look like a child while she looks like Genghis Khan. Admittedly Maeve can be Atillia the Hun, too, but Genghis was much, MUCH more terrifying. She just rolls the inexperienced very well. They were talking about nerfing Torvald's shield because people in LOWER ranks weren't getting wrecker, but they failed to realize that no amount of nerfing will encourage them to buy wrecker. Y'know how you get them to counter Torvald? In the tips say "To counter a shield buy wrecker, ya git". You have these tips! Use them! Besides, what about when they HAVE figured out they need to use Wrecker. What will you do, then? He's on an even playing field right now because people at mid and late ranks know what to do. Nerfing isn't going to change the fact that new players are freakin' dumb.

I have fought a skillful Evie thank you, but as you said they are rare. Which is why I don't want to start a discussion which may lead to nerf Evie talk.

Buck with Bouncy house and Androxus with Nether legendary are less high risk high reward champions than Evie. Buck is especially annoying as spawncamper...

I am very concerned about the player base lately, its like re-teaching kids
people NOT buying wrecker versus Torvald, people buying Cauterize while enemy has no support (and no green card too!), Buying buldozer versus Nando, spawncamping Kinessa and sniping Viktor appear common again, I dunno man, they even don't listen to chat anymore....

[Zander117]

the nerf is nerfing her into oblivion like sky and barik

[Yoda Nobunaga]

I have the solution to OP champions for Hi-Rez and those dumb enough to think they're an issue. Play as another OP champion in response. One of the camps many claim to be very powerful, and at times OP, is Drogoz. I've used him many times in order to counter Maeve with great success. My rockets are fast so she can't be on the ground and my spit can explode so she can't be in the air. All around she can't be near me. Torvald is also, sometimes, called OP. He also does very well against Maeve. If a champ is OP to you then go as a champ who you are OP as and you will counter fairly well. This applies to all "OP" champs, not just Maeve. If you think they're too powerful then go as an OP champ against them. Or do what the pros do and study their weaknesses. Pip's weakness, (look at that. Another OP champ) happens to be Blast Shields, Cauterize and Tyra. They all have weaknesses, you just need to find them.

[My Bloody Valentine]

Exactly. Nerfing Maeve is making it noob friendly. I might move back to TF2, who knows.

[🎃MaximusBlastalot🎃]

Originally posted by Lie Chen Zhou:

Buck with Bouncy house and Androxus with Nether legendary are less high risk high reward champions than Evie. Buck is especially annoying as spawncamper...

Bounce house is likely overtuned but boy was there alot of misinformation pepople were posting it and its his headshot dmg legendary thats monsterous.

Originally posted by Lie Chen Zhou:

I am very concerned about the player base lately, its like re-teaching kids
people NOT buying wrecker versus Torvald, people buying Cauterize while enemy has no support (and no green card too!), Buying buldozer versus Nando, spawncamping Kinessa and sniping Viktor appear common again, I dunno man, they even don't listen to chat anymore....

This is why I have pounded again and again and again, since the skye nerfs,that you cant not balance for nor coddle pepople who dont "learn 2 play"(its not "elitist"). Its cause "unhealthy" memes both for the game and those who fall victim to that type of mentality not to mention how it grows if the devs feed it or how it can mechanicly dmg a game (and posion the feedback).

These pepople blame everthing but themselves and they will never be happy unless they win and they dont have a realistic enough view of anything to do so (along with that being already a "toxic" attitude).

It will riddle a game until it destorys it one way or another like a disease I have seen it happen personaly nearing at least dozen times now.I blame the "cod"/moba gen and happy the "hero shooter gen" isnt as bad but thats another topic blah blah grumpy arena shooter old man get off my digital lawn.

Originally posted by Project 39:

I do agree with a nerf to her sustain(though a healing reduction would have been better than removing it IMO), and I don't play enough Maeve to know if the cooldowns are justified, but I don't think the things that directly affect mobility should be nerfed, I think the distance of her dash and her speed during prowl were fine where they were.

The cd need to be long, her jumps need looked at, but its her hp cards/dmg reduction cards that need tuned not her sustain nor her speed.The diffrence between 1.8k and 2k as far as hits to kill with spike dmg attacks is an ocean for how most spike dmg charcters are balanced (not acounting for legendaries).

Unfortunately becus of the "salt brigade" whining this which is an issue is being ignored instead of blaming primarily her "speed" (aiming is hard!) and her dmg (I have explained that ad nauseam at ridiculous length).

In short her sustain vs dps is fine the issue is her jumps(and low dmg pounce) along with her hp/dmg reduction cards can help her mitgate spike dmg to a level that while not OP BROKEN is overtuned.

[Zander117]

Originally posted by Ashes:

Exactly. Nerfing Maeve is making it noob friendly. I might move back to TF2, who knows.

tempted to go to overwatch

[Cuddly rat]

I don't play maeve and don't like her much but Removing her self healing was ok but nerfing pounce was not necessary

[🎃MaximusBlastalot🎃]

Originally posted by Zander117:

Originally posted by Ashes:

Exactly. Nerfing Maeve is making it noob friendly. I might move back to TF2, who knows.

tempted to go to overwatch

The new hero looks obnixous to deal with and they still havent adressed ana/hog enough nor have they retuned reaper since they have done a bunch of changes (like the phara buff) that have acted as a huge proxy nerf since launch (not that hes unviable he very much is useable but its a syndrome him and a few other suffer from).

[JoiseyDragun]

maeve's burst damage is indeed ridiculous, but its not like she's nigh impossible to kill. She's just... very difficult to defeat 1v1.