Let's talk about character model in Paladin

[Dongliz]

First of all, I'll rant my opinion here. Feel free to point out that I'm wrong or suck. I just wanna to let it out.

Paladins been pushing a lot to release new champion every few weeks, which is good and bad. The good thing is that it keeps the hype alive and more and more people coming in. Couple of the characters are really good, like Inara. Although his main weapon suck♥♥♥♥♥ she is amazing character model and design, and more importantly, it feels original. I love Seris too, with her amazing skills set and darkness. Both of the character seems fit in the Paladins world, yet some are horrible.

First of all it's Willo, probably the worst of all. Her sound is super annoying and her model is horrible. She is one of the good example that fall into uncanny valley[upload.wikimedia.org], where the designer push her too far to appear to be "cute" (which is not, at all) and making her more human (which is creepy). Unlike Pip which has some human features, yet still not fall into this uncanny valley. She is also unfit at all with the others at all. Like a character from the Barbie World thrown into Paladin.

Second it's Lex, which I feel is too plain. With all of others amazing characters, Lex feels like just plain. He has no cool features or whatsoever. Fine, it's very much personal taste of mine.

Lastly, it's Ash. The new character got amazing skills and gameplay, I absolutely love her for this. But, why? Why the hell her character design resemble Zarya from OW so much? Ok, some of you will defend her like, "huurrr durrr she is different, her skill blah blah blah, hurr duurrr that is Buck's old gun, hurr durr Blizard and Hirez inspire one another hurr durr", no, please no. I thought Hirez already learn their mistake with Skye, Fernando, and Barik, where they are too similar with OW characters (skill, colors, featuers, etc.). But why repeat it again? Look again at Ash gun and stance, not to mention her masculinity. Come on! You got sets of different character concept, yet you choose something that fanboys will accuse you for plagiarism?!

Please hirez, don't push too hard in making new characters. Take your time, think something that original first of all. Second, design something that will go with another characters, not something that really off from one another.

[Mustafa Amatil]

I'll agree with you with Lex and Willo, although I do think Inara is just pretty lame.
Also who tf is skye ripping off?

[LunarGatta]

Originally posted by Wolf33:

Look again at Ash gun and stance, not to mention her masculinity. Come on! You got sets of different character concept, yet you choose something that fanboys will accuse you for plagiarism?!

This paragraph bothers me. What's wrong with a female being masculine?

As for the other bit, fanboys will accuse plagiarism for everything. Let's look at overwatch. It took a lot of things from TF2, the gamestyle, the classes etc.

Widowmaker is basically female sniper.
Tracer is a sexy version of Scout with 2 pistols as guns(scout has a pistol as secondary.)
Reinhardt is Heavy with shield.
Torbjorn is basically Engineer 2.0
Mercy is Medic with wings. Again, sexy version of him.
Sombra is punk-goth-something sexy version of Spy.
Reaper looks a hell of a lot like Ghost Rider.

I think you get the point by now.

Every single game developer out there takes inspiration from games they like or something in real life they like and they put it in the game. Is it plagiarism? Not really. Only fanboys will claim so, and honestly fanboys shouldn't be listened to.

Edit: Who the ♥♥♥♥ is skye "copying" ?

[Dongliz]

Originally posted by TheCampingOwl:

Originally posted by Wolf33:

Look again at Ash gun and stance, not to mention her masculinity. Come on! You got sets of different character concept, yet you choose something that fanboys will accuse you for plagiarism?!

This paragraph bothers me. What's wrong with a female being masculine?

As for the other bit, fanboys will accuse plagiarism for everything. Let's look at overwatch. It took a lot of things from TF2, the gamestyle, the classes etc.

Widowmaker is basically female sniper.
Tracer is a sexy version of Scout with 2 pistols as guns(scout has a pistol as secondary.)
Reinhardt is Heavy with shield.
Torbjorn is basically Engineer 2.0
Mercy is Medic with wings. Again, sexy version of him.
Sombra is punk-goth-something sexy version of Spy.
Reaper looks a hell of a lot like Ghost Rider.

I think you get the point by now.

Every single game developer out there takes inspiration from games they like or something in real life they like and they put it in the game. Is it plagiarism? Not really. Only fanboys will claim so, and honestly fanboys shouldn't be listened to.

Edit: Who the ♥♥♥♥ is skye "copying" ?

Originally posted by Wolf33:

"hurr durr Blizard and Hirez inspire one another hurr durr"

Your argument is old, I've seen this too much. Nothing wrong with female masculinity, I'm not here to bring up SJW stuff.

Originally posted by TheCampingOwl:

Reaper looks a hell of a lot like Ghost Rider.

I think you get the point by now.

Man, I sure do xD

[Mustafa Amatil]

Originally posted by TheCampingOwl:

Originally posted by Wolf33:

Look again at Ash gun and stance, not to mention her masculinity. Come on! You got sets of different character concept, yet you choose something that fanboys will accuse you for plagiarism?!

This paragraph bothers me. What's wrong with a female being masculine?

As for the other bit, fanboys will accuse plagiarism for everything. Let's look at overwatch. It took a lot of things from TF2, the gamestyle, the classes etc.

Widowmaker is basically female sniper.
Tracer is a sexy version of Scout with 2 pistols as guns(scout has a pistol as secondary.)
Reinhardt is Heavy with shield.
Torbjorn is basically Engineer 2.0
Mercy is Medic with wings. Again, sexy version of him.
Sombra is punk-goth-something sexy version of Spy.
Reaper looks a hell of a lot like Ghost Rider.

I think you get the point by now.

Every single game developer out there takes inspiration from games they like or something in real life they like and they put it in the game. Is it plagiarism? Not really. Only fanboys will claim so, and honestly fanboys shouldn't be listened to.

Edit: Who the ♥♥♥♥ is skye "copying" ?

And Viktor is a rip-off of a human male.
You think you can stretch it any further?

[harison86]

I agree on Lex and Willo, pretty bad designs (personal opinion of course, but it's a fairly popular opinion).

Last 2 paragraphs about Ash, Skye, Fernando, and Barik are where you're wrong though.

Here's a picture of Heavy from TF2, Zarya[hydra-media.cursecdn.com] from OW, and Ash[criticalhits.com.br]. From Paladins obviously.
Take a look at their weapons, take note of how they all have similar shapes and sizes. The thing is, the way all three of these characters hold these weapons - to their side, with one hand on the back and another towards the front - is just the most comfortable way to hold that kind of big, anti-personnel weapon. It's not "ripping off", it's just the most common-sense design out there for this character archetype. I'd bet money that there are more characters from other Hero-based games (LoL, Dota, etc.) that use this exact same pose for their "heavy gunner" characters.

Hell, now that I look at it, Zarya's grip is far more similar to the Heavy than to Ash. Zarya and Heavy both have their hands on the top of their guns, on handles located on the back and middle of the gun. Ash has one hand on the top and back of her gun, and the other hand goes on a handle on the side and front of her gun, which she also uses to reload. So I won't say your opinion is wrong, I'm saying your premise is factually incorrect.

Now there's more to their designs than just posture - we have their "masculine" qualities as you claim, except they're expressed entirely differently. Zarya wears a tank top or vest of some sort, which exposes her bulging muscles on her forearms. Ash meanwhile wears a heavy set of Gothic armor that covers her from neck to toe. Zarya's design foregoes practicality for intimidation, while Ash goes for a combination of both intimidation and practicality. There isn't anything particularly masculine about it other than "guys like knights, explode-y guns, juggernauts, etc."

TL;DR if you bother to look at the nuances of each of their designs you'll realise Zarya and Ash are two completely different and unique characters that only hold their guns the same because holding it any other way would be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid.

And finally about Barik, Skye, and Fernando who you accuse of being OW knock-offs...I don't know how many times this is going to have to be said...all three of those characters were revealed before Overwatch was. Those characters existed before Overwatch's characters were revealed. Do your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ research.

Edit: maybe I was too harsh, I know you're all for Hi-Rez making a better game. But Hi-Rez doesn't need to go through any loop-de-loops to make insane designs just so people won't make comparisons - because they're going to make comparisons, OW and Paladins both share the same genre and there's only so many different archetypes to go off of.

[LunarGatta]

Originally posted by Cin:

Originally posted by TheCampingOwl:

This paragraph bothers me. What's wrong with a female being masculine?

As for the other bit, fanboys will accuse plagiarism for everything. Let's look at overwatch. It took a lot of things from TF2, the gamestyle, the classes etc.

Widowmaker is basically female sniper.
Tracer is a sexy version of Scout with 2 pistols as guns(scout has a pistol as secondary.)
Reinhardt is Heavy with shield.
Torbjorn is basically Engineer 2.0
Mercy is Medic with wings. Again, sexy version of him.
Sombra is punk-goth-something sexy version of Spy.
Reaper looks a hell of a lot like Ghost Rider.

I think you get the point by now.

Every single game developer out there takes inspiration from games they like or something in real life they like and they put it in the game. Is it plagiarism? Not really. Only fanboys will claim so, and honestly fanboys shouldn't be listened to.

Edit: Who the ♥♥♥♥ is skye "copying" ?

And Viktor is a rip-off of a human male.
You think you can stretch it any further?

Except it's not a stretch. It's EXACTLY one of the sources overwatch took inspiration from. Both you and the OP are pretty damn stupid. Paladins copies overwatch? Get out. Those characters existed LONG BEFORE overwatch "invented" them. You are both just plain incorrect and have no source of evidence other than "well i don't agree with you so you're wrong."

People will ALWAYS compare games of the same genre.

Get off the high horse, characters existed long before overwatch came to exist. No one is copying anything, now quit with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Carnage]

Ash looks NOTHING like Zarya..

[Mustafa Amatil]

Originally posted by TheCampingOwl:

Originally posted by Cin:

And Viktor is a rip-off of a human male.
You think you can stretch it any further?

Except it's not a stretch. It's EXACTLY one of the sources overwatch took inspiration from. Both you and the OP are pretty damn stupid. Paladins copies overwatch? Get out. Those characters existed LONG BEFORE overwatch "invented" them. You are both just plain incorrect and have no source of evidence other than "well i don't agree with you so you're wrong."

People will ALWAYS compare games of the same genre.

Get off the high horse, characters existed long before overwatch came to exist. No one is copying anything, now quit with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Lmao I didn't say anything except YOU SAID WIDOWMAKER IS A "FEMALE SNIPER"
LIKE NO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ DAWG! Your examples are boarderline retarded.

[LunarGatta]

Originally posted by Cin:

Originally posted by TheCampingOwl:

Except it's not a stretch. It's EXACTLY one of the sources overwatch took inspiration from. Both you and the OP are pretty damn stupid. Paladins copies overwatch? Get out. Those characters existed LONG BEFORE overwatch "invented" them. You are both just plain incorrect and have no source of evidence other than "well i don't agree with you so you're wrong."

People will ALWAYS compare games of the same genre.

Get off the high horse, characters existed long before overwatch came to exist. No one is copying anything, now quit with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Lmao I didn't say anything except YOU SAID WIDOWMAKER IS A "FEMALE SNIPER"
LIKE NO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ DAWG! Your examples are boarderline retarded.

Got any argument other than insults and autism?

No? Then ♥♥♥♥ right off inbred ♥♥♥♥.

[Mustafa Amatil]

Originally posted by TheCampingOwl:

Originally posted by Cin:

Lmao I didn't say anything except YOU SAID WIDOWMAKER IS A "FEMALE SNIPER"
LIKE NO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ DAWG! Your examples are boarderline retarded.

Got any argument other than insults and autism?

No? Then ♥♥♥♥ right off inbred ♥♥♥♥.

I don't have an arguement because I'm not arguing...

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

A good 85% of these character designs are weird or bland. If they made a character who looks good AND plays well, then that's the day I'll play this game daily.

[Skullker]

For me Willo, Lex, the ork shaman, Fernando, Viktor and the turtle, are the most unapealing in terms of aesthethics however Ash is by far one of my favorite along side Maeve.

[RedeemedSamurai]

yes

[aka]

Skye looks like a centaur with a kardashian ass, they need to boost her and give her some sexy assassin vibe.

[wifeburger]

I feel like Hi-Rez should take a break with releasing new characters and start developing lore for the ones we currently have. Give us a reason to care about them.