Developers, wtf?? What happened to this game?

[Tsorig]

5 years ago when I last time played this game daily. The MBTs had weaks spots frontally, I mean not only lower plate, but also cupolas, driver/gunner viewport, turret ring etc.
I just checked out like 10 MBTs armor profiles on tier 6-7 tanks. It's all the same every tank. A same tier MBT guns have only lower plate green, everything else is red (unpenetrable). Like what is this??!

When I face another MBT on the game, its all about which one has better angle to shoot lower plate. Nothing else matters, unless you have better mobility, you can try flank and shoot side armor. But this is some another level bullcrap. Are you serious?

Why you moved away other weakspots except lower plates? How you think that make this game better?

another fun stuff is that some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ car with rocket launcher on tier 6 can shoot my tank from 200-300 meters without geting spoted and deal 1000 dmg to me. How about you give MBTs some HE rounds that deal 1000 dmg to those ridiculous little cars that drive on battle field or atleast make them able to spot when they shoot that rocket..

I think I'm done with this game now. I thought WoT is terrible game, but this game is obviously trying harder than WoT in category of ♥♥♥♥.

[Tigger]

MBT's on all tiers got buffed to armour because they were to easy to damage and kill frontally so vehicles were re-balanced

Cupolas have never really been a thing here and you can still penetrate or damage same tier MBT frontally - its just not as easy and not all can damage all others.

You dant say what mode or modes you play (which can also affect the playstyle)

So no more sit and slog out with another MBT frontally, now you have to use a bit of tactics, track them for others, side shot turrets, move to shoot sides at angles (AP will pen many at acute angles)

ATGM can be hidden behind cover and shoot at you because you are spotted (the game tells you when you are) - you can see the ATGM coming in so have some chance to move, sitting still too long punishes you - especially those that insist on slugging it out one on one (or one on 6 in PvE )

HEAT works great on the lighter armoured vehicles (Some MBT have HESH, HEAT MP, HE Frag - so have more effective forms of HE against lighter vehicles but a bit less against heavy armour)

My MBT often out spot AFV in front of me as I set all my vehicles up for spotting first and foremost, I react when spotted by moving back then creep forward to see what spotted me in little short halts ATGM or a load of the enemy then pop smoke as moving back.

[Tsorig]

Originally posted by Tigger:

MBT's on all tiers got buffed to armour because they were to easy to damage and kill frontally so vehicles were re-balanced

Cupolas have never really been a thing here and you can still penetrate or damage same tier MBT frontally - its just not as easy and not all can damage all others.

You dant say what mode or modes you play (which can also affect the playstyle)

So no more sit and slog out with another MBT frontally, now you have to use a bit of tactics, track them for others, side shot turrets, move to shoot sides at angles (AP will pen many at acute angles)

ATGM can be hidden behind cover and shoot at you because you are spotted (the game tells you when you are) - you can see the ATGM coming in so have some chance to move, sitting still too long punishes you - especially those that insist on slugging it out one on one (or one on 6 in PvE )

HEAT works great on the lighter armoured vehicles (Some MBT have HESH, HEAT MP, HE Frag - so have more effective forms of HE against lighter vehicles but a bit less against heavy armour)

My MBT often out spot AFV in front of me as I set all my vehicles up for spotting first and foremost, I react when spotted by moving back then creep forward to see what spotted me in little short halts ATGM or a load of the enemy then pop smoke as moving back.

I'm playing PvP mostly. yesterday I had Fox shooting my arse behinde the push under 300m and he was't spotted. I guess he had good commander with camo boost.

But the main topic I was talking about. Before (few years ago) There was actually weakspot on MBTs. Now there is only lower plates. Unless you face 2 tier higher tank with high pen.

Here is video for example how things was before with the MBT weakspot, it was perfectly fine. How does any player consider its a bad thing MBT's having small frontall weakspot? Those small weakspots most cases are only weak against other MBT in close brawls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aYWbRzFGG4

Any MBT I have faced so far (Tier 1-6) have always been for me and the enemy just finding the angle to shoot lower plate. I honestly don't know why can't they add small weaskspot to driver/gunner visionports for example, so the MBTs have different options were to shoot. Countless of times I have been full hulldown against other MBT and neither us doesn't want to leave the position. Why? Because if I leave hull down, I give other MBT huge advantage to hit my hull couple of times and then have better dmg trade against me.

[CEPHY]

This is an issue in PvE as well, honestly.

Just recently I had a PvE mission with a single T72 completely absorbing 4 AT squads from above, 3 MBTs, myself in an AFV with HEAT missiles and APDS shells, and artillery.

Literally bombarded the guy with the enitre team and he didn't even take a dent.

[Tsorig]

Originally posted by CEPHY:

This is an issue in PvE as well, honestly.

Just recently I had a PvE mission with a single T72 completely absorbing 4 AT squads from above, 3 MBTs, myself in an AFV with HEAT missiles and APDS shells, and artillery.

Literally bombarded the guy with the enitre team and he didn't even take a dent.

Those Soviet tier 5-7 tanks are hands down the most OP MBTs tier to tier comparison.
Their armor model is hilariously OP. They have big alfa and high pen, good mobility. But the armor is the thing which makes those tanks OP.

If you angel your armor about 70 degree angle and tilt your hull slightly down towards the enemy, you get full impenetrable armor. At best you have 50% chance yellow aim crosshair to hit 1 pixel narrow area on lower plate, which is basicly almost 0 chance to hit/pen.

I've had this issue many times in PvP if the Soviet MBT player is skilled and know what he is doing. You can't win that on brawl, your only chance is find better position where that tank is above you so you have angle to hit lower plate or to outsmart him and flank somehow without he is aware of that. Even in those case Soviet MBTs mobility allow him to traverse or reposition themselves back to OP position.

Ironically tanks with good gun depression cannot really take advantage against tank with bad ones. Take Abram for example. You are most likely above the other tank when you use gun depression and in that case you can't pen enemy lower plate cause the angle is too steep, but you neither cannot pen enemy MBTs upper plate or deck, not even its engine deck which should have really thing armor. Only thing you do in most situation you expose more your lower plate to enemy to get punched harder than enemy does. Also I don't understand why they gave M1 Abrams huge lower plate, but almost every other tanks have really narrow lowerplate.

This Hulldown meta in this game is worse than WoT have. That Meta is literally makeing people quit the game in WoT and this thing is implemented in this game which is really sad. Only thing that breaks hulldown meta in this game is that AFV are more OP than MBT.
MBT is only safe in hulldown against other MBTs, but not AFV which can easily out spot, out dmg, out flank MBTs in almost every given scenarious. Even if the MBT spots AFV, they just use smoke grenade and do Houdini dissapear..

[Tigger]

Odd I dont have issues facing same tier MBT frontally in mine even higher tiers (granted I play mostly PvE now)- I use HEAT mostly even at tier 10.

Part of the rebalance was MBT were too weak frontally, they are supposed to be able to take punishment frontally from same tier unless you aim for the weak spots (typically lower glacis) at same tier or lower as previously lower tier guns could pen frontally as could some AFV

If you are above the enemy MBT and shooting down then turret roof, engine becks, work very well

If any player is skilled v unskilled or semi skilled they have an advantage and a really skilled player can easily beat a lesser one in most cases (always have the odd mistakes )

If a tank is angled then I switch to one of my rare AP rounds and quite often can pen the side while it is angled - other wise I remove its mobility by tracking it with HEAT and use mine to move.

People whined about artillery in game - saying it forced people to camp, now no artillery in PvP its other things to moan about making players camp - Artillery winkled out those sitting still while also having to be concerned about counter battery fire ensuring they have to move.

People have complained MBT are dead and useless in the game for years, yet they are the most played class in just about every ones account - there have been times when it has swung the other way with MBT being too powerful leading to nerfs of individual ones (hence the rebalnces)

Part's of the seeming issue for some are

Progressing too fast and not taking the time to learn a vehicle as opposed how to move and press fire,

Trying to play all vehicles the same way (whether expecting all MBT to play the same or all vehicles no matter the class play the same - seen both)

Players thinking they are alone, not looking out for team mates and chances nor having others look out for them (down to players nothing the devs can do can change players mentality)

The davs trying to balance the same vehicles in PvE and PvP (a great vehicle in one mode can be bad in the other)

Players constantly demanding changes to their fav vehicles to buff them or nerf all others - while others are of course demanding the exact opposite (the devs have all the data of how a vehicle plays in all hands and modes - not us)

[Tsorig]

Originally posted by Tigger:

Odd I dont have issues facing same tier MBT frontally in mine even higher tiers (granted I play mostly PvE now)- I use HEAT mostly even at tier 10.

Part of the rebalance was MBT were too weak frontally, they are supposed to be able to take punishment frontally from same tier unless you aim for the weak spots (typically lower glacis) at same tier or lower as previously lower tier guns could pen frontally as could some AFV

If you are above the enemy MBT and shooting down then turret roof, engine becks, work very well

If any player is skilled v unskilled or semi skilled they have an advantage and a really skilled player can easily beat a lesser one in most cases (always have the odd mistakes )

If a tank is angled then I switch to one of my rare AP rounds and quite often can pen the side while it is angled - other wise I remove its mobility by tracking it with HEAT and use mine to move.

People whined about artillery in game - saying it forced people to camp, now no artillery in PvP its other things to moan about making players camp - Artillery winkled out those sitting still while also having to be concerned about counter battery fire ensuring they have to move.

People have complained MBT are dead and useless in the game for years, yet they are the most played class in just about every ones account - there have been times when it has swung the other way with MBT being too powerful leading to nerfs of individual ones (hence the rebalnces)

Part's of the seeming issue for some are

Progressing too fast and not taking the time to learn a vehicle as opposed how to move and press fire,

Trying to play all vehicles the same way (whether expecting all MBT to play the same or all vehicles no matter the class play the same - seen both)

Players thinking they are alone, not looking out for team mates and chances nor having others look out for them (down to players nothing the devs can do can change players mentality)

The davs trying to balance the same vehicles in PvE and PvP (a great vehicle in one mode can be bad in the other)

Players constantly demanding changes to their fav vehicles to buff them or nerf all others - while others are of course demanding the exact opposite (the devs have all the data of how a vehicle plays in all hands and modes - not us)

I'm telling you. This game was completely opposite to WoT when it originally came out. balance was good with every vehicle class and between MBTs. Now it is even worse than WoT is. WoT most complained thing is exactly the hulldown meta (which is ridiculous 100% meta in MBTs this game) and some imbalances between vehicles.

This game was exciting to play like 5 years ago.
But, now AFV are ridiculously overpowered with their ability to spot greater distance, shoot missile without geting spoted and even if they do get spoted, they have smoke screens to get out, why in the hell they would give every vehicle smoke screens?

And yes, I see you are not having problems with MBT, because those armor models are build for noobs. The noob tactics that wouldn't work in WoT or WT, is working in this game.

Well I'm glad if you enjoy to game, but I already got brain dmg and went back to WoT.

But there is a new tank game coming which name is "Project CW". I was alpha tester in that game. I believe that game will drain the rest of this game players after they publish it in 2025.

[BrainFlush]

When did My.Games sell AW to whomever owns it now? I assume the MY launcher is gone or renamed? Did they finally merge the PC accounts with Steam accounts after the sale? That's why I quit playing since money spent on PC launcher would never be on Steam version. Just curious. Thanks for any info. I hated My.Games for that split of the user base. Their excuse was pathetic and a lie. Any dev that doesn't merge PC or other game launcher versions with Steam release etc after alpha beta phase is a dev I'll never support again. It's predatory behavior. Double dipping the player base. Sorry but I'm still not over it 8 years later.

[Tigger]

Originally posted by BrainFlush:

When did My.Games sell AW to whomever owns it now? I assume the MY launcher is gone or renamed? Did they finally merge the PC accounts with Steam accounts after the sale? That's why I quit playing since money spent on PC launcher would never be on Steam version. Just curious. Thanks for any info. I hated My.Games for that split of the user base. Their excuse was pathetic and a lie. Any dev that doesn't merge PC or other game launcher versions with Steam release etc after alpha beta phase is a dev I'll never support again. It's predatory behavior. Double dipping the player base. Sorry but I'm still not over it 8 years later.

My.Games were never the owner, they were the EU and NA publisher - the owners were Mail.Ru who paid OE to start development of the game before they took it over themselves

PC and Steam accounts have not been merged - it was said to be an issue with steams system (WoT had a similar issue)

All the Steam version does is launches the stand alone launcher (you can add the stand alone launcher to steam as a non steam game)

What split in the user base? those playing using Steam still play on the same server and in the same matches as those playing on the stand alone - there has never been any split or difference, both have always played on the same server.

If you had the stand alone launcher you still played with those using steam to launch the stand alone launcher

So no idea what you are really on about since its all a load of wrong information

[Tigger]

Originally posted by Tsorig:

I'm telling you. This game was completely opposite to WoT when it originally came out. balance was good with every vehicle class and between MBTs. Now it is even worse than WoT is. WoT most complained thing is exactly the hulldown meta (which is ridiculous 100% meta in MBTs this game) and some imbalances between vehicles.

This game when it came out was to be as close to WoT as it could be while not breaking copyright style rules - just using vehicles post WoT era

WoT is complained about

huge amounts of cheaters and bots
Camping
OP premiums
huge cash grab on the hunt for new players all the time and no care about long term existing ones
Needing to play premium vehicles and run premium time to actually play your tier 9/10 as in most cases you lose credits
Having to pay for everything - garage slots, crew bunks etc
Free premiums which are 99% of the time garage slot tier 2
Gold ammo
OP one hand arty
Refusal to adjust premiums if they are not balanced
Rip off loot box events
Seal clubbing (players with thousands of games in a tier 1 or 2 just clubbing new players)

Originally posted by Tsorig:

This game was exciting to play like 5 years ago.
But, now AFV are ridiculously overpowered with their ability to spot greater distance, shoot missile without geting spoted and even if they do get spoted, they have smoke screens to get out, why in the hell they would give every vehicle smoke screens?

5 years ago AW was dead in PvP, you would be waiting for 3v3 matches on smaller maps (best of luck getting even that in NA server)

AW has had big ups and downs with patches - with one class or the other being considered OP

Originally posted by Tsorig:

And yes, I see you are not having problems with MBT, because those armor models are build for noobs. The noob tactics that wouldn't work in WoT or WT, is working in this game.

Oh so because this game is different to WoT and WT in tactics (despite you saying MBT is camper mode in AW and is a problem in WOT?)

What are these so called "noob" tactics?

outflanking, using terrain, intelligence (dont sit side on to the enemy, dont sit skylined trading shots - often with more than one enemy, dont wait till the enemy has reloaded before driving out, dont use smoke as cover to relocate, stop and wait after a bound to spot, take cover or pull back as soon as spotted?

Originally posted by Tsorig:

Well I'm glad if you enjoy to game, but I already got brain dmg and went back to WoT.

But there is a new tank game coming which name is "Project CW". I was alpha tester in that game. I believe that game will drain the rest of this game players after they publish it in 2025.

I am sure you will enjoy your WoT - personally all the things I listed up the top are why I quit it - just a cash grab poor game play, frustrating game that if released now would get no where

WT it was spawn campers - cant be bothered with them in the air or on the ground

[Ozman Mohammudhan Zemon Von Boom]

This is pretty much a thread that was revived by necromancy. I don't think anyone ever complains anymore about MBTs being 'OP'. At least, not to my knowledge, and it sure doesn't feel like it when I play one.

Why complain about MBTs when you have Boxer RIWP and T15 Armatas that tops every chart, of every match they are in? They'll get even better later on since they're the only ones with access to drones. Like... They need more tools to perform.... Right?

Also, comparing AW with WoT or WT is such a pointless endeavour. They're not the same game, if you don't like X in AW, but prefer it in WoT, go play WoT... Who cares? It's like comparing Barbies and Counter Strike, the only thing they have in common is you play humans.

Here you play 'tanks.'

[BrainFlush]

Originally posted by Tigger:

My.Games were never the owner, they were the EU and NA publisher - the owners were Mail.Ru who paid OE to start development of the game before they took it over themselves

PC and Steam accounts have not been merged - it was said to be an issue with steams system (WoT had a similar issue)

All the Steam version does is launches the stand alone launcher (you can add the stand alone launcher to steam as a non steam game)

What split in the user base? those playing using Steam still play on the same server and in the same matches as those playing on the stand alone - there has never been any split or difference, both have always played on the same server.

If you had the stand alone launcher you still played with those using steam to launch the stand alone launcher

So no idea what you are really on about since its all a load of wrong information

Yes. Sorry I couldn’t be bothered to say Mail.RU selling AW. My mistake.

I’m assuming you didn’t check my profile so I’ll say thanks for the noob info about adding things to Steam even though I’m pretty adept at tweaking Steam but thanks anyways and it’s probably bound to help some new sucker playing AW coming from the PC launcher. SMH and I’m not being rude or sarcastic.

As for splitting the player base I’m referring to players who started playing on launcher and spending money while waiting for Steam release which then happened and merging didn’t and the excuse is not even valid as many many many games over the years from alpha to beta to release with launchers came to Steam and all user data was merged successfully without players being forced to create new player accounts etc. Sorry not sorry they’re a greedy company who tried to force players into double dipping and lots of us refused to be suckers in their attempts to get anything out of us after the first time. I love supporting games as an early founder etc and getting limited edition things for my financial support but trying to lie to me thinking I’ll bend over and do it again is out of control. F Mail.RU and anyone who does this or supports this behavior. No excuses. None. Pathetic.

But I guess thanks for responding and for some reason being ok with this kind of desperate financial swindling that AW pub and dev are ok with…yeah now I’m being rude. Not to be a complete Ahole I’ll still wish you a wonderful day and cheers mate.

[Yet'tila Sewi]

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