Back to the Future table

[Timmy]

So why doesn't the Back to the Future table use any of the music or voice clips from those movies? Did Zen Studios not care about quality when they released that table or what?

[Lord Squeak]

"Licencing cool songs cost too much money"
any music, voice clips, likeness of actor, any of that stuff needs separate licences, often from different places. Expensive and labor intensive. sometimes the actor will just say no.

[Timmy]

Originally posted by Lord Squeak:

"Licencing cool songs cost too much money"
any music, voice clips, likeness of actor, any of that stuff needs separate licences, often from different places. Expensive and labor intensive. sometimes the actor will just say no.

Ah so the people at Zen are too stupid to get their licensing deals done correctly. That makes sense.

[wilbers]

If there is one thing the folks at Zen aren't its stupid, far from it. Pity they didn't get licensed music in all tables where applicable (some, like Star Wars tables do have it), but I'd call it a design decision - likely worked out they couldn't sell tables at the price point they want to if they paid more for music and voices. Also, if the actor says no then there isn't a choice anyway (believe Arnold Swarzenneger was the first film star to lend his voice to a physical table) its not as if they can pick bits from a film of them calling out "Super Jackpot", "Get the Extra Ball" etc.! I'd be happy to pay an extra £1 per table to cover it, but presumably not everyone would.

[Timmy]

Originally posted by wilbers:

If there is one thing the folks at Zen aren't its stupid, far from it. Pity they didn't get licensed music in all tables where applicable (some, like Star Wars tables do have it), but I'd call it a design decision - likely worked out they couldn't sell tables at the price point they want to if they paid more for music and voices. Also, if the actor says no then there isn't a choice anyway (believe Arnold Swarzenneger was the first film star to lend his voice to a physical table) its not as if they can pick bits from a film of them calling out "Super Jackpot", "Get the Extra Ball" etc.! I'd be happy to pay an extra £1 per table to cover it, but presumably not everyone would.

If they weren't stupid and/or greedy then they would've included the original soundtrack at the very least. Also we'll probably never know if Michael Fox and Christopher Lloyd rejected their roles because we don't even know if Zen even bothered contacting them before they decided to replace them with people who have nothing to do with those characters.

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Originally posted by Tim:

If they weren't stupid and/or greedy then they would've included the original soundtrack at the very least. Also we'll probably never know if Michael Fox and Christopher Lloyd rejected their roles because we don't even know if Zen even bothered contacting them before they decided to replace them with people who have nothing to do with those characters.

It sounds like the stupid one here is you, spewing a lot of uniformed assumptions about how this game came to be.

Regardless of the music/voices, the game itself is a lot of fun, a blast to play, and well worth buying.

[Timmy]

Originally posted by spyrescaa:

Originally posted by Tim:

If they weren't stupid and/or greedy then they would've included the original soundtrack at the very least. Also we'll probably never know if Michael Fox and Christopher Lloyd rejected their roles because we don't even know if Zen even bothered contacting them before they decided to replace them with people who have nothing to do with those characters.

It sounds like the stupid one here is you, spewing a lot of uniformed assumptions about how this game came to be.

Regardless of the music/voices, the game itself is a lot of fun, a blast to play, and well worth buying.

Read my comment again and then come back. I've already stated that the part about the voices can't be verified because Zen Studios ain't open about what happened behind the scenes. Ain't my fault that you're unable to read things properly and accept whatever crap Zen throws at you.

[Lowlight]

This is why the Jaws table is less than ideal: they had NONE of the assets of the film, not even the song. Instead, its QUINT SHINING A FLASHLIGHT or QUINT CHASING EVERYONE OFF THE BEACH. You know, just like the movie!

From what I hear, this is also why there has not (and may never) be a real Jaws pinball (and why the BTTF pin Data East released had horrible misshapen figures on the backglass). The separate licenses are either impossible or too expensive to get.I actually think the Zen BTTF pinball is a decent effort at least, even if a lot of the assets are absent. It is a fun shooter, has good modes, and uses enough of the assets and story to make the absent parts a lot less glaring.

[Hodor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ-8ivzsVJY

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Originally posted by Tim:

Originally posted by spyrescaa:

It sounds like the stupid one here is you, spewing a lot of uniformed assumptions about how this game came to be.

Regardless of the music/voices, the game itself is a lot of fun, a blast to play, and well worth buying.

Read my comment again and then come back. I've already stated that the part about the voices can't be verified because Zen Studios ain't open about what happened behind the scenes. Ain't my fault that you're unable to read things properly and accept whatever crap Zen throws at you.

Yeah, I read it properly and you're still making idiotic assumptions about motives without any acts. What makes you think Zen owes you some sort of justification?

Lame attempt at deflection noted.

[Akos]

We always make the attempt to include everyone and everything in a licensed table put it is never this easy. Edit: Like in Jurassic World where we were able to get actual voice clips from the film and the likeness of the actors.

The rights to the music or the likeness of character can be in entirely different hands than the intellectual property (the fictional characters, the story and the universe for example) - and not everyone is interested in dealing with us, or can make us go through a lot of loops that could delay production etc.

I remember that the Aliens table had to omit a DMD animation in the last minute because of the request of the parties involved.

Yes, having the original score would make this table perfect but as some said, the gameplay hopefully is still satisfactory. Deep put a lot of his best ideas into BTTF.

Also yes, we are not allowed to share every detail of these business deals, they are confidential contracts.

[Timmy]

Originally posted by Akos:

We always make the attempt to include everyone and everything in a licensed table put it is never this easy. Edit: Like in Jurassic World where we were able to get actual voice clips from the film and the likeness of the actors.

The rights to the music or the likeness of character can be in entirely different hands than the intellectual property (the fictional characters, the story and the universe for example) - and not everyone is interested in dealing with us, or can make us go through a lot of loops that could delay production etc.

I remember that the Aliens table had to omit a DMD animation in the last minute because of the request of the parties involved.

Yes, having the original score would make this table perfect but as some said, the gameplay hopefully is still satisfactory. Deep put a lot of his best ideas into BTTF.

Also yes, we are not allowed to share every detail of these business deals, they are confidential contracts.

I won't doubt that Deep didn't do their best with the restrictions that were put on them but when you can't use the original voice clips at the very least shouldn't that be a sign that your partner just doesn't want to have something of quality? Something that's worth slapping the label of the franchise in question on? Not having the original soundtrack is one thing but replacing such iconic voices with voices of people who have absolutely nothing to do with Back to the Future is a line that Deep should never have even considered to dare cross. The fact that Deep actually crossed that line just shows to me that they didn't have the balls to flip whomever was giving them rights troubles the middle finger and to walk away.

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Originally posted by Akos:

Yes, having the original score would make this table perfect but as some said, the gameplay hopefully is still satisfactory. Deep put a lot of his best ideas into BTTF.

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Also yes, we are not allowed to share every detail of these business deals, they are confidential contracts.

The gameplay is great!

But you'll always have entitled, truculent idiots like Tim who will whine and mewl "If you can't make it perfect in my eyes, you don't have balls and it should have never happened!"

I'm very grateful for the universal pack and find it a great value and a huge amount of fun.

[Timmy]

Originally posted by spyrescaa:

Originally posted by Akos:

Yes, having the original score would make this table perfect but as some said, the gameplay hopefully is still satisfactory. Deep put a lot of his best ideas into BTTF.

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Also yes, we are not allowed to share every detail of these business deals, they are confidential contracts.

The gameplay is great!

But you'll always have entitled, truculent idiots like Tim who will whine and mewl "If you can't make it perfect in my eyes, you don't have balls and it should have never happened!"

I'm very grateful for the universal pack and find it a great value and a huge amount of fun.

Calling me names ain't gonna make you look any more mature dude. What's wrong with expecting quality entertainment instead of half hearted crap? Way to show just how immature you truly are by calling me names BTW.

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Originally posted by Tim:

Calling me names ain't gonna make you look any more mature dude. What's wrong with expecting quality entertainment instead of half hearted crap? Way to show just how immature you truly are by calling me names BTW.

It's cute that you whine and cry about my maturity and calling you names when you said the "Developers didn't have the balls, were 'too cheap'" and all other kinds of egregious crap.

And ya know, it's just a bit of DLC ya see. You have the ability to try it it before you buy it, so what's up with the crying/tantrums? Don't like it, don't buy it.

But please don't pretend that any company here owes some justification for their business decisions. You were actually told that much in this thread and moronically continue to ignore and double down on your entitled BS.

And yeah, for every whiner that says "Oh my stars and garters, this game has no licensed music!" it's easy to find an equal # of reviews where people actually enjoy and play it as a pinball game, not as a soundtrack.

I think it's a great table, probably the best of the pack and superior to a lot of other tables that do have the licensed materials.

And yeah, sure, another nice attempt to deflect ("You're a big immature meanie") noted and laughed at...

[Lowlight]

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