Useless thralls

[pahrias]

Thralls are now useless. Anything that isnt a bearer will die in seconds. I just lost a level 18 thrall who had CROM. CROM! She could kill things in two to three hits, but she got ganked in seconds by a couple of vikings when I fell off the side of a mound. She couldnt get away, nor swing the damn sword. Bloody nonsense. Even the bearers are only marginally better, just by dint of having more HP. And higher carry capacity.

This game has now been relegated to a harem minecraft. Until they fix this crap, I wont be playing properly. No point to. Nothing bloody works.

[Estevan Valladares]

Though break.
I wonder one thing on all of this, as an accountant.

Old times, you bonk the lad, put them to round around a sand wheel (the real thing inspiring the wheel of pain was actually made to mill grain, but whatever, realism is too much at this point). And after "breaking them" (none got "Schwarzy" after the wheel though, sadly, I would love if my girls got jacked like Sophie Avebrink going in the wheel.

Anyway, there is even a voice acting in the files which a thrall states "they will worship you forever" or something.

Then they fight as if I was Doctor Strange:
https://youtu.be/vcEwp9NZVK8

Now, you might as well pay some sack of coins and they just "come for the food and soft beds", but when the reapers come, they are the ones asking "What should we do ?".

[pahrias]

HAHA! Jacked girlies after being in the wheel would be Funny AF!

[Estevan Valladares]

Originally posted by pahrias:

HAHA! Jacked girlies after being in the wheel would be Funny AF!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3216453552

https://youtu.be/0Cp8ryQ7PVI

And I still think my thrallfu has prettier boobs.
Ingame, they can look natural.

[Mike Hawthorne]

I haven't found that to be true at all, my only level 20 thrall so far, Dammit Janet is capable of surviving a group of defenders from the new big fort Al Merayah that's part of the new update.

Make sure to start with a named thrall it's pretty easy to get them in the south.

How do you have them equipped?

Janet has just a few points under 1,000 armor, about 1600 health and is wielding a Hardened Steel weapon.

Of which I have 19 thanks to her, looted them off the guards at the new fort.

Try training one to 20. doing it the safe way, and equipping it with really good armor and weapons.

Remember they get points when you kill something even if they are set to not attack.
It only takes a short time to get them to level 10, after that they can take care of themselves against most things.

Once they are level 20 don't put them in impossible situations and they will last forever. At the fort I put her on guard a distance from the fort, I went with my bow and shot one with arrows, and when a few ran after me I ran back to where I left her and switched to my sword and shield and we finished them off, if there were a whole bunch of them coming after me I'd just run in another direction and get away without getting her involved

And remember their equipment never wears out, do give them the best stuff you've got.

[DarkFire]

Originally posted by pahrias:

Thralls are now useless. Anything that isnt a bearer will die in seconds. I just lost a level 18 thrall who had CROM. CROM! She could kill things in two to three hits, but she got ganked in seconds by a couple of vikings when I fell off the side of a mound. She couldnt get away, nor swing the damn sword. Bloody nonsense. Even the bearers are only marginally better, just by dint of having more HP. And higher carry capacity.

This game has now been relegated to a harem minecraft. Until they fix this crap, I wont be playing properly. No point to. Nothing bloody works.

I take it your thrall had the sword of crom? The game doesn't tell you this but these days both the sword and mace of crom are nothing more than wall ornaments. They're both hard coded to do zero damage in the hands of a thrall and if you use them every swing consumes your entire stamina bar irrespective of how much total stamina you actually have.

Your thrall almost certainly died because she was actually doing zero damage to the enemy with that sword.

Someone on the dev team must have really regretted putting those weapons in the game because as things are now, they're useless for thralls and players.

[Mike Hawthorne]

One other note, I've found that almost all NPCs will attack my thrall before it will me.
They will run right past me and go after her so it's really me coming to her aid.

Since I die a lot easier than she does this is a real plus.

[BarBoss]

Mike Hawthorne, You wrote some stupid tips for complete noobs here. It is clear that you are playing in the locale. It's not about that. And that, at the whim of the developers, a crowd of NPCs (warriors, artisans, skeletons) now surrounds you with a ring and blocks all your attempts to fight or escape. Exactly the same thing happens to your slave. He's just being blocked by the crowd. I think this is extremely unfair and it is the stupidest idea of the developers. After such ridiculous deaths and the loss of top slaves, I don't want to play any more.

[pahrias]

Originally posted by DarkFire:

Originally posted by pahrias:

Thralls are now useless. Anything that isnt a bearer will die in seconds. I just lost a level 18 thrall who had CROM. CROM! She could kill things in two to three hits, but she got ganked in seconds by a couple of vikings when I fell off the side of a mound. She couldnt get away, nor swing the damn sword. Bloody nonsense. Even the bearers are only marginally better, just by dint of having more HP. And higher carry capacity.

This game has now been relegated to a harem minecraft. Until they fix this crap, I wont be playing properly. No point to. Nothing bloody works.

I take it your thrall had the sword of crom? The game doesn't tell you this but these days both the sword and mace of crom are nothing more than wall ornaments. They're both hard coded to do zero damage in the hands of a thrall and if you use them every swing consumes your entire stamina bar irrespective of how much total stamina you actually have.

Your thrall almost certainly died because she was actually doing zero damage to the enemy with that sword.

Someone on the dev team must have really regretted putting those weapons in the game because as things are now, they're useless for thralls and players.

Well that certainly isnt true. She was using the Crom sword, and as I said, she was killing things in two to three hits pretty much every where else on the map. The undead around the mounds of the dead died quickly and she did way more damage to the vikings in the mounds than I did. The problem is that she got trapped and stun locked to death. She couldnt swing the sword and she couldnt retreat, and because I was climbing back up I couldnt help. So, no, it may be coded to do less than if the player is swinging it, but it certainly doesnt do ZERO.

[pahrias]

Originally posted by Mike Hawthorne:

I haven't found that to be true at all, my only level 20 thrall so far, Dammit Janet is capable of surviving a group of defenders from the new big fort Al Merayah that's part of the new update.

Make sure to start with a named thrall it's pretty easy to get them in the south.

How do you have them equipped?

Janet has just a few points under 1,000 armor, about 1600 health and is wielding a Hardened Steel weapon.

Of which I have 19 thanks to her, looted them off the guards at the new fort.

Try training one to 20. doing it the safe way, and equipping it with really good armor and weapons.

Remember they get points when you kill something even if they are set to not attack.
It only takes a short time to get them to level 10, after that they can take care of themselves against most things.

Once they are level 20 don't put them in impossible situations and they will last forever. At the fort I put her on guard a distance from the fort, I went with my bow and shot one with arrows, and when a few ran after me I ran back to where I left her and switched to my sword and shield and we finished them off, if there were a whole bunch of them coming after me I'd just run in another direction and get away without getting her involved

And remember their equipment never wears out, do give them the best stuff you've got.

Then go take your Damnit Janet upto the mounds of the dead and come tell me what happened

[pahrias]

Originally posted by Estevan Valladares:

Originally posted by pahrias:

HAHA! Jacked girlies after being in the wheel would be Funny AF!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3216453552

https://youtu.be/0Cp8ryQ7PVI

And I still think my thrallfu has prettier boobs.
Ingame, they can look natural.

yeah that is my main issue with muscle mommies. I dont mind a muscly woman in general, but the booba tend to look weird when they get to Schwarzy levels. If they have big boobs, if they dont, they basically just look like pecks.

[Edgemoor]

Yeah the thrall situation is that there are now tiers within tiers of thralls. All thralls found around noob river and in the desert are unlikely to be of use in end game. Their stats and health are way too low even at level 20.

After the desert you have the highlands and New Asgarth. There are some thralls of note here (Janos being one of them).

Then there is the volcano and mounds of the dead. Mounds of the dead is where the best thralls appear to be found combat wise (cimmerian beserker, Dalinsia and Lianelle the dancer). Not sure on the best ones in the volcano.

The ones in Sepermeru seem to be able mid tier.

To go to the mounds of the dead without equipping your thrall in at least epic armour and a good legendary is asking for trouble imho. Everyone is armed with star metal weapons and in epic cimmerian steel armour ..... so they dish out loads of damage and soak up loads as well.

It was quite the experience going to mounds of the dead after the great thrall nerf.

If you want to max out your thrall then you'll need a T4 Shieldwright and the bulk polating mod for armour (found in Warmakers).

Then for the armour pieces this is about the best:

Silent Legion Helmet
Godbreaker Grips
Voidforged Ribs
Champions Leggins
Slaver Boots

For weapon generally the legendary mace Momentum with the master weapon fitting (increases damage and armour penetration).

In wine cellar, even lowest difficulty a level 20 cimmerian beserker or Dalinsia will take a lot of damage on the final boss so make sure they have as good food as possible to regenerate health. Even then you might need to get them to drink a healing potion.

Salted pork will give your thrall +15% to damage and a potion of might another +15%.

[Estevan Valladares]

The problem with thralls is the reverse problem with enemies in the game, which is not a surprise. The lack of AI in terms of finding a way to fight better, instead of fight "more".

When you take the enemies into account, you see that they are not harder to fight, they have just more health, and hit harder. Some who only plays this game, World of Warcraft, and things of the likes, might think that is the only way, but it is not. Even the devs of these games would want to make it better, but they cant, players wont let them.

There is only so much you can do when your fight is like a game of chicken. Fighting in conan exiles, and WoW, and Ark, and most "bad fight games" looks like this:
https://youtu.be/yrKpxw7Injk

It is basically "taking more and dishing more" that determines who wins.

You cant introduce new mechanics for the player, in terms of controls, abilities and skills that wont require the same from those fighting for them and against them. But allowing a player to dodge, jump, crawl, climb, flee, and etc is one thing, allowing the AI to do so is another.

The combat "design" chosen for Conan Exiles has a lot of advantages, but the one disadvantage it has is that it is one of the hardest to design AI for it. If both were "tabbing" enemies and using "guided fireballs" to attack them, it would be 10x easier to design AI for it. WoW for example, if you are target and someone sling a fireball and said fireball already left the enemy's hands, no matter where you go, it will get to you. So it is essentially the same game of chicken, but you are railed to it. That is what makes AI easy to pull off.

When you are using directional combat, with freedom of movement and if that much, locking enemies, you cant really make a "blind fool" AI that has a list of enemies, a map, and a list of priorities.

The problem with conan exiles is that it has the directional open combat, but the AI operates as a "blind fool" with a map, list of enemies and list of priorities.

IF you take notice, it is not your thralls that are "dumb", any npc is. But the NPCs of the game are sturdier than your thralls. They can take more and dish out more, and that is all that there is to it. So much so that I made a Fighter 3 better than a named enemy by simply giving it the ability to dodge.

Imagine what it would do if it could strategize ...

https://youtu.be/VUW09V2pUu4

[Duke H. Vytantis]

the issue with thralls imo is that there is not enough distinction between thralls vs animals, thralls underling (their tiers) and animal types underling.

it feels too much ♥♥♥♥ just straight out sucks. you get to the point where you are unlocking the most things and travel around the map 24/7 to hunt for t4 gold thralls and then they yeet themselves off of a cliff or die stupidly whilst training them at level 5

i really don't remember some of the shenanigans that happened in this patch, happening before..

[Estevan Valladares]

Originally posted by Duke H. Vytantis:

i really don't remember some of the shenanigans that happened in this patch, happening before..

That might be something with your memory, because reddit is filled with the "same complaints" for as long as 2019. Foundations, Thralls not doing anything, dying for stupid things, etc.

Sometimes I do understand why console players are much more upset than us PC players. We can at least mod the game:

https://youtu.be/cCOvsI3hWWQ

[DarkFire]

Originally posted by pahrias:

Originally posted by DarkFire:

I take it your thrall had the sword of crom? The game doesn't tell you this but these days both the sword and mace of crom are nothing more than wall ornaments. They're both hard coded to do zero damage in the hands of a thrall and if you use them every swing consumes your entire stamina bar irrespective of how much total stamina you actually have.

Your thrall almost certainly died because she was actually doing zero damage to the enemy with that sword.

Someone on the dev team must have really regretted putting those weapons in the game because as things are now, they're useless for thralls and players.

Well that certainly isnt true. She was using the Crom sword, and as I said, she was killing things in two to three hits pretty much every where else on the map. The undead around the mounds of the dead died quickly and she did way more damage to the vikings in the mounds than I did. The problem is that she got trapped and stun locked to death. She couldnt swing the sword and she couldnt retreat, and because I was climbing back up I couldnt help. So, no, it may be coded to do less than if the player is swinging it, but it certainly doesnt do ZERO.

I checked: you were right and I was wrong. No idea when this change was made but happily we're back to the Crom weapons being useful again for thralls. One positive change at least!