Isle of Siptah current (28/08/24) useless Battle Pass task: Kill 100 Grey Ones Captains.

[The Hawke]

Isle of Siptah current weekly Battle Pass task (28/08/24): Kill 100 Grey Ones Captains.
Off the top of my head there are 15 Captains. Ergo, you have to run through all the 'Grey One' locations 7 times to complete the task.

Is it just me that thinks that this is a total waste of time. Perhaps it should have been 10 instead of 100. That would be be more logical.

After you have completed the first round you will have 'Learned' all the weapons/armour recipes.
After two rounds you will most probably have collected all the weapons from the dead 'Grey Ones' you knocked off on the way.

I know the BP gets buried with the 'Age of Heroes' update but c'mon this BP task is a total waste of play time. Complete the task and what do you get. 3/5 of 5/8 of Fanny Adams.
it'is pointless to harvest the corpse's. It is just a pointless killing spree.
The only thing it is good for is levelling up new thralls (with a touch of danger to keep you on your toes).

I love the Isle of Siptah and I am praying that the Age of Heroes update on Conan Exiles doesn't impact on Siptah.
In saying that, the Devs have said nothing about fixing the major Grey One bug, ie the Grey Ones fighting fisticuffs instead of using weapons.

Hopefully there will be bug fixes for IoS when all (?) of the CE bugs get fixed with the Age of Heroes.
But . . . . the Devs were very non-committal about the 'stuck in foundation' bug. Just an aloof statement saying "we know this is very annoying but we are working on it".
Don't hold your breath.
When a retailer runs out of hot water bottles in the middle of Winter, excuses don't keep your feet warm.
All we are hearing is excuses.

[stanapartma]

HMM MAYBE THAY NEVER FIX THIS PREPARE YOUR SELF.

[Seishisha]

Good riddance to the terrible boring grind that is the battlepass, honestly I will not miss it at all. One can only hope that with development time focused on the rest of the game and not the battlepass there will be more bug fixes.

But I'll be honest, that seems like some false hope.

[m142]

Originally posted by Seishisha:

Good riddance to the terrible boring grind that is the battlepass, honestly I will not miss it at all. One can only hope that with development time focused on the rest of the game and not the battlepass there will be more bug fixes.

But I'll be honest, that seems like some false hope.

fun fact , they don't fix things in that studio , so don't expect unrealistic things.

[Punabra]

With this studio, nope , they will not,
What will happen is that they will say , we know whats best for the players again.
and ofcourse they will say , We will implement this because the players have asked for it
like they always say.
but if they always implement what we the players ask for , why do we still have problems with that :P
the only thing i see in conversations,is that players want bug fixes , but they dont fix them. i still fall through teh floor and thralls disapear from my camp

[Jaq]

The challenges in the most recent version of the battle pass were never worth doing. Just spawn the materials in single player mode to craft thousands of layered fur, and go afk until you hit the daily xp cap (around 10 levels).

Originally posted by Seishisha:

Good riddance to the terrible boring grind that is the battlepass, honestly I will not miss it at all. One can only hope that with development time focused on the rest of the game and not the battlepass there will be more bug fixes.

People are so wrong about disliking the battlepass. It was never a grind if you knew what you were doing. Under an hour total start to finish.

Now that the battlepass is gone, the game will still need a new tool to keep players logging in frequently, which was the whole point of the BP. And we've already seen what the replacement is: Events like the Jhebbal Sag hunters and the current mercenary caravans. "But it's free, so that's better, right?" Wrong. Because it's free, it's not tied to the authentication server. And because it's not tied to the authentication server, that means we can't skip the grind by cheating in single player, and instead need to grind on every single server we play on to claim the rewards from this content or lose out on it, possibly forever on that character.

This is an exponentially bigger grind, and has assured that I will stop playing on all servers except one. If others follow suit, that's going to be especially detrimental to PVP, where server hopping is far more common. Putting a best-in-slot item in the event like they did with Jhebbal Sag leaves you at a big disadvantage if you abandon a bad PVP server now. And I'm starting to question what I really get out of multiplayer PVE to keep even that last character going. But I'll wait until I see how bad the next event is before deciding whether to shut that down too and go to permanent single player.

The one time deposit of $10 to unlock all battlepass rewards on all characters forever, none of which were best-in-slot and mostly just cosmetic, was so much better than this. But with free content there's no pay-to-win problem, so look forward to more grind-to-win like we got with the Bestial Regalia. Take time off from playing and you'll always be behind without that gear.

[Seishisha]

Originally posted by Jaq:

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I don't see how my dislike of something can be right or wrong, it's purely subjective to me.

So I dunno how you managed to complete 60 levels of battle pass in one hour, but if you did sounds like some serious admin panel exploiting. The fact that cheating your way through it is the best solution speaks volumes about how badly it was designed.

Personally the BP didn't keep me logging in, it had the opposite effect, I would complete it then stop playing, because I realised I was only playing to earn what I'd paid for and not to have fun.

Yes the initial price point was generous, exceedingly so if you saved the coins, but I never liked working to unlock something I'd purchased, it always felt like an obligation.

Grinding for something you can unlock for free is entirely different, and in my opinion far more forgivable, but the amount of grinding is the problem currently, the events are massive time vampires, which isn't fun to repeat over and over. No arguments from me there.

[Abacus]

Originally posted by Seishisha:

Good riddance to the terrible boring grind that is the battlepass, honestly I will not miss it at all. One can only hope that with development time focused on the rest of the game and not the battlepass there will be more bug fixes.

But I'll be honest, that seems like some false hope.

So you wont miss paying $9 once and getting several years of fee stuff?

Seeing I admin grinder the BP without even trying.

But yeah, selling what was potentially free, piece by piece for 200-300% mark up on their store is so much better.

Think i'll miss a cheap alternative to even the earlier DLCs and again, YOU BOUGHT THE BP ONCE! and used admin to complete it in a few days of zero effort. (building dragon arrows.)

In other words, you didn't fiddle around unlocking stuff and actually used it before you got burnt out.

OP just make dragon arrows in admin, and it will complete the BP with no effort.

[Seishisha]

Originally posted by Abacus:

So you wont miss paying $9 once and getting several years of fee stuff?

Seeing I admin grinder the BP without even trying.

But yeah, selling what was potentially free, piece by piece for 200-300% mark up on their store is so much better.

Think i'll miss a cheap alternative to even the earlier DLCs and again, YOU BOUGHT THE BP ONCE! and used admin to complete it in a few days of zero effort. (building dragon arrows.)

In other words, you didn't fiddle around unlocking stuff and actually used it before you got burnt out.

Some slight miscommunication maybe, but I did all the challenges legit without admin, and it was tedious and boring 90% of the time, so yeah i'll stick with my opinion I won't miss it at all. The price was fine, but unlocking it all was real chore, it didn't keep me engaged it just felt like a long obligation.

I never mentioned the bazaar even once, because it's not relevant to whether the battlepass is good or bad. It's a different system entirely and a different subject, I mean I'm not a fan of the bazaar at all, but again it's not relevant to this discussion.

Pretty much everyone who talks about the battlepass says the same thing, it's easy just use admin, they seem to forget mentioning that engaging content doesn't require you to skip over it with "zero effort" but instead relies on good design to keep people interested. Saying the battlepass is good because you can cheat to clear it doesn't make it good, it makes it badly designed.

[Abacus]

OP:
Build two carpenter benches. Add the components for dragon arrows and have them build for about 3 minutes,until the daily levels are capped. You do this a few times and the BP is compete. You actually get to use what the BP add before you are burnt out. Zero grind needed.

Just like the previous DLC, which people didn't have to be "earned" or engaged with, you get it all with no effort. It would be moronic to actually grind it all and burn out before you even unlocked everything.

[Seishisha]

Originally posted by Abacus:

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Basically your argument is the battle pass is good, because it's cheap and that you cheat to compete it. Additionally you mention it's value when compared to the bazaar and other DLC, but It seems you're conflating the perceived value of the these things with the quality of the challenges. Just because one is cheaper than other doesn't make it good by default. Value is not the same as quality.

You don't need to spend hours or days or weeks grinding boring challenges or cheating your way through them to unlock ANYTHING you pay for in the bazaar or CE's DLC packs. It's not the same, it doesn't have relevance to the QUALITY of the challenges in the battle pass.

So the bazaar and the DLC packs are not relevant to the battle pass challenges, they are not even close to functioning in the same way. It's like comparing a banana to a telephone, you can have both in your house, but you use them in completely different ways.

Is the battle pass fun or engaging? By your own admission "The battle pass isn't good in anyway due to some enjoyment". This statement feeds into my argument, the battle pass does not keep people engaged nor provide a fun system, because again by your admission "two carpenter bench, build dragon arrows. Admin the items in, so no resource gathering. You can alt-tab and watch Youtube for 3 minutes and rinse and repeat until complete. It takes a few days, as there is a limit to how many levels. No effort needed. Zero tedium.". This being the optimum solution for completion further proves the challenge system is badly designed.

So thanks for confirming what I've been saying, the battle pass challenges are indeed badly designed filler content.

[Abacus]

Originally posted by Seishisha:

Originally posted by Abacus:

-snip for brevity

Basically your argument is the battle pass is good, because it's cheap and that you cheat to compete it. Additionally you mention it's value when compared to the bazaar and other DLC, but It seems you're conflating the perceived value of the these things with the quality of the challenges. Just because one is cheaper than other doesn't make it good by default. Value is not the same as quality.

You don't need to spend hours or days or weeks grinding boring challenges or cheating your way through them to unlock ANYTHING you pay for in the bazaar or CE's DLC packs. It's not the same, it doesn't have relevance to the QUALITY of the challenges in the battle pass.

So the bazaar and the DLC packs are not relevant to the battle pass challenges, they are not even close to functioning in the same way. It's like comparing a banana to a telephone, you can have both in your house, but you use them in completely different ways.

Is the battle pass fun or engaging? By your own admission "The battle pass isn't good in anyway due to some enjoyment". This statement feeds into my argument, the battle pass does not keep people engaged nor provide a fun system, because again by your admission "two carpenter bench, build dragon arrows. Admin the items in, so no resource gathering. You can alt-tab and watch Youtube for 3 minutes and rinse and repeat until complete. It takes a few days, as there is a limit to how many levels. No effort needed. Zero tedium.". This being the optimum solution for completion further proves the challenge system is badly designed.

So thanks for confirming what I've been saying, the battle pass challenges are indeed badly designed filler content.

You seem to like undue back patting.

For OP:
You said "I know the BP gets buried with the 'Age of Heroes' update but c'mon this BP task is a total waste of play time. Complete the task and what do you get. 3/5 of 5/8 of Fanny Adams."

Guess what, good news. Just do what I mentioned and you can complete tha BP with ease and actually enjoy the game playing it. Your issue solved.
(I actually have a point, not some random gas lighting.)

[Seishisha]

This whole thread was never about the value for money of the battle pass, bazaar or DLC, it was about the quality of the challenges in the battle pass, thanks for confirming you can't read, I give up.

Have fun deluding yourself.

[Abacus]

Originally posted by Seishisha:

This whole thread was never about the value for money of the battle pass, bazaar or DLC, it was about the quality of the challenges in the battle pass, thanks for confirming you can't read, I give up.

Have fun deluding yourself.

It's ok, I get you live off gas lightning. I have an actual point. Not a subjective opinion.

OP said:

"Is it just me that thinks that this is a total waste of time. Perhaps it should have been 10 instead of 100. That would be be more logical."

"I know the BP gets buried with the 'Age of Heroes' update but c'mon this BP task is a total waste of play time. Complete the task and what do you get. 3/5 of 5/8 of Fanny Adams."

Op just do as I mentioned. It solves the issue you have, period.

(the mentioning of the value, is based off the post saying "good riddance its gone" and in turn explained a fundamental positive of the BP. In terms of value, not subjective feelings.)

[Seishisha]

It's okay, you call it gas lighting if you want, even though you apparently don't understand what that actually means. And you can continue to ignore the actual subject by deflecting to your opinion that somehow quality and enjoyment are not important when completing the challenges as intended. Just because you can circumvent that intention by cheating does not mean it attests to their quality.

Maybe I just read into it incorrectly but when someones says to me "it's a waste of time", that implies they didn't enjoy it, it implies to me that enjoyment is important. But who knows really? Clearly not me I'm just someone who apparently thrives on gas lighting others.

Anyway I'm done, good day to you.