how to destroy inventory items directly?

[Migromul]

I've got a problem: The game seems to have bug (again), whenn filling a ley-shrine. One all runes are lightening , they just vanish. The swirling chaos reamins, but you can't summon a surge...

So I cheatet 1000 swirlich chaos via the admin-panel. Now the'yre in my inventory, but not movable. So I can't put them in the altar and nor can't drop them..

Is there any way to destroy inventory-items directly? especiall if they're unmovable?

(btw: those religious items, you get for creating religious things (manifestations, or what they're called) ARE movable, if you cheat them with the admin-panel. You CAN'T teke them into your inventory, however. but you CAN move them within an altar-inventory... That's not possible with the swirling chaos, it seems.)

But why is such a thing available at the admin-panel in the first place, if it's completely unmovable?!? 1000 weight 100 units, so I can't just let it be in my inventory. I must get rid of it somehow...

[seven]

I had a similar problem. I couldn't find any solutions through google. What I ended up doing was put all my gear and inventory I could move into a box and then removing the bracelet. That worked, and there doesn't seem to be any real consequences to dying.

[Xevyr]

Originally posted by Migromul:

But why is such a thing available at the admin-panel in the first place, if it's completely unmovable?!? 1000 weight 100 units, so I can't just let it be in my inventory. I must get rid of it somehow...

Because the admin panel is probably intended for admins.. and not for players.. and it's not meant to be part of the player experience they designed, even though you can use it to essentially cheat..

You can just remove bracelet to drop all the items if you have drop equipment on death enabled. That will drop those as well and then don't loot them back

[Raithe]

LOL. ANyone hosting is an admin....its just another basic function that they never thought about which should have been in since the beggining.

[Xevyr]

Originally posted by Raithe:

LOL. ANyone hosting is an admin....its just another basic function that they never thought about which should have been in since the beggining.

No they are not... and that is my point :D An admin is someone with at least a basic set of knowledge how the stuff they're trying to administrate.. works. A user messing with admin controls.. is still a user messing with admin controls :P

The game can be played in single-player or multiplayer just fine as the devs intended without ever opening the admin panel.. Does that mean you shouldn't do that? No... ofc not.. but don't expect everything to be "super-dumbed-down-user-friendly" in those areas.. that's all.

[Raithe]

That is not what an admin is in a game where a person or persons host. The admin or admins are the ppl running the game. You don't need a resume to rent or setup a server and run a game man. Its actually super easy to do. There are no standards for this. You can do this with any game that allows anyone to setup a dedicated server.

You can certainly have your own opinion but that does not mean it synchronizes with actuality. Its not your word to define we kind of all have a stake in this language thing.

[Xevyr]

It's not my opinion... it's the meaning of the word... a server administrator is not some far fetched alien concept that is hard to understand :)

And to highlight where I'm coming from... we've seen the lineup of private server "admins" when issues started popping up with the mod mismatch thing... Anyone with any basic IT knowledge and how mods work - information that is generally needed to call yourself a server admin - would have been able to immediately understand and temporarily solve that issue no problem, yet a lot of them couldn't connect to their own servers and ended up on the forums complaining.

Sure thing though, I never said there are standards for it.. or that you can't rent your own server.. and call yourself admin or king or emperor for all I care :D All I said is that if you want to mess with things "backstage" then don't expect them to look as pretty as they do from the audience seat :D

In any case.. whatever..

[Migromul]

To the definition of "admin": I think, you're both right. An admin should know what to do. But that this item isn't deletable in a normal way is an oversight imho. Especially because there exist unremovable itmes, which ARE movable, if created via the admin-panel. The manifestationa of altars for example. I've done that several times.

Anyway, thanks for the tip to remove the bracelet. I will do that.

[Xevyr]

Yea, I didn't mean that in a bad way though, they were just nitpicking a bit so I was as well :D Generally happy to help if I can though :D

[Reeva!]

Originally posted by Raithe:

LOL. ANyone hosting is an admin....its just another basic function that they never thought about which should have been in since the beggining.

Ehh? Nah, certain things were designed a certain way for a reason. Zeal tokens for example from shrines can't be moved, cuz it would be deep fried BS if you could take 1 shrine's progress and slot it into another shrine, or kill someone carrying them then taking 100+ tokens back to your shrine and tada; free god spawn.
Just cuz you can spawn ♥♥♥♥ in doesn't mean they need to add additional functionality for it.

[Migromul]

Originally posted by Reeva!:

Originally posted by Raithe:

LOL. ANyone hosting is an admin....its just another basic function that they never thought about which should have been in since the beggining.

Ehh? Nah, certain things were designed a certain way for a reason. Zeal tokens for example from shrines can't be moved, cuz it would be deep fried BS if you could take 1 shrine's progress and slot it into another shrine, or kill someone carrying them then taking 100+ tokens back to your shrine and tada; free god spawn.
Just cuz you can spawn ♥♥♥♥ in doesn't mean they need to add additional functionality for it.

The tokens can be created via the admin-panel and then moved into an altar, no Problem... As I said, I've done that several times.

And to summon the avatar, there is more needed than just the tokens. You also need an Archprieset of the right god. You need to spam so much the special item of an altar, that this item will get nearly useless. The only exception is Zath: You have
1. the opportunity to just sacrifcie the harvest-item
2. the opportunity to create an orb, which serves as a consumable weapon. It just is much more used, because it's a weapon. (all others are buff or very situational.)
So you have enough manifestations-tokens in no time, if you focus on it. You won't swim in the items, because there are no need for them...
But you still first need to find an archpriest of Zath to summon the avatar.

If you play on a server via logging in you aren't HOSTING it. You're just a client.
So the statement "everyone hosting the game is an admin" is very right. You just need to activate the admin-mode.

[Reeva!]

Originally posted by Migromul:

Originally posted by Reeva!:

Ehh? Nah, certain things were designed a certain way for a reason. Zeal tokens for example from shrines can't be moved, cuz it would be deep fried BS if you could take 1 shrine's progress and slot it into another shrine, or kill someone carrying them then taking 100+ tokens back to your shrine and tada; free god spawn.
Just cuz you can spawn ♥♥♥♥ in doesn't mean they need to add additional functionality for it.

The tokens can be created via the admin-panel and then moved into an altar, no Problem... As I said, I've done that several times.

And to summon the avatar, there is more needed than just the tokens. You also need an Archprieset of the right god. You need to spam so much the special item of an altar, that this item will get nearly useless. The only exception is Zath: You have
1. the opportunity to just sacrifcie the harvest-item
2. the opportunity to create an orb, which serves as a consumable weapon. It just is much more used, because it's a weapon. (all others are buff or very situational.)
So you have enough manifestations-tokens in no time, if you focus on it. You won't swim in the items, because there are no need for them...
But you still first need to find an archpriest of Zath to summon the avatar.

If you play on a server via logging in you aren't HOSTING it. You're just a client.
So the statement "everyone hosting the game is an admin" is very right. You just need to activate the admin-mode.

Yeah and all that's great but this is cheating, it's not the way developers intended the game to be played. You can spawn the Kin Scourge in someone's base with admin rights, they're not exactly going to add additional functionality to it. If you spawn in tokens, any sort of issue with them is your issue, because when you boot the game up and play it normally, the issue will never occur.
"I spawned in an item and now I can't drop it, help!" is just a way of saying "I cheated and now I'm suffering the consequences of my actions."

Many games have a cheat mode, many of those games start behaving abnormally and break if you cheat. Those games do not fix those "issues" because they're a non-issue.

[Raithe]

Originally posted by Reeva!:

Originally posted by Migromul:

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Yeah and all that's great but this is cheating, it's not the way developers intended the game to be played. You can spawn the Kin Scourge in someone's base with admin rights, they're not exactly going to add additional functionality to it. If you spawn in tokens, any sort of issue with them is your issue, because when you boot the game up and play it normally, the issue will never occur.
"I spawned in an item and now I can't drop it, help!" is just a way of saying "I cheated and now I'm suffering the consequences of my actions."

Many games have a cheat mode, many of those games start behaving abnormally and break if you cheat. Those games do not fix those "issues" because they're a non-issue.

The game is very much a full on sandbox. This is not cheating. This is simply a way of playing in the sandbox that you don't utilize.

Cheating at conan would be if you were using hacks on live servers that you do not host/administrate or otherwise set the rules for.

They even added create mode to make this easier.

[Xevyr]

Originally posted by Raithe:

The game is very much a full on sandbox. This is not cheating. This is simply a way of playing in the sandbox that you don't utilize.

It's cheating :) Even if it feels better to tell yourself otherwise. The devs call it that too btw, it's called a cheat menu and it checks if you have "cheat" permissions :P
Nobody said you're not allowed to do it though, we just said it's a semi backend feature and NOT part of the intended gameplay even if you do choose to utilize it. It was never polished for player use as such things might happen that otherwise wouldn't

[seven]

Originally posted by Xevyr:

Originally posted by Raithe:

The game is very much a full on sandbox. This is not cheating. This is simply a way of playing in the sandbox that you don't utilize.

It's cheating :) Even if it feels better to tell yourself otherwise. The devs call it that too btw, it's called a cheat menu and it checks if you have "cheat" permissions :P
Nobody said you're not allowed to do it though, we just said it's a semi backend feature and NOT part of the intended gameplay even if you do choose to utilize it. It was never polished for player use as such things might happen that otherwise wouldn't

Well, while there is still intended gameplay that is not possible without "cheating" I'm not going to think of it as cheating.

[Xevyr]

Originally posted by seven:

Well, while there is still intended gameplay that is not possible without "cheating" I'm not going to think of it as cheating.

Can you elaborate on that? I've played this game since early access and I do not know of any actually intended gameplay using the admin panel, the game is also completely playable without it.

The first intended use of cheating is this new implementation of creative mode, however the difference with that is clear as it's a streamlined mechanic that builds into the regular gameplay and it's clearly aimed at players - however that does not require the admin panel.

Which btw is called a cheat menu like I said above, the window itself is named "GeneralCheats" in the devkit and the right side panel is named "Inventory cheats" and every single check that's made whether you can use any of that functionality is checking whether your character "can cheat?" :) So as far as the devs are concerned.. it's pretty clear.

Now ofc like I said above, if you want to play like that, then have at it - there is nothing wrong with it and the point is to have fun. I am merely pointing out that you shouldn't have any "delusions" that you're somehow not cheating by spawning in things that you did not obtain through gameplay

- In any case we went very offtopic with this thread so I guess time to unsub before the mods force-close it :D