pve conflict server question

[AnimeBrigade]

when the purge starts on pvp time can players deal dmg to your structures or only assist the purge in killing you so the purge wipes out your base/structures.

[Neb]

i would guess that players cant damage your structures ever as that is a core part of the PvE/C ruleset, but yeah they can come kill you im sure

[Macdallan]

From all the info I've read about PVE-C Neb's absolutely right. On official PVE-C servers players cannot damage your structures. They can kill you and loot your corpse during the scheduled PVP hours and purges only happen during certain hours that always overlap the PVP times. Yes, other players could try to attack you and loot things as the purge destroys parts of your base which is why it's important to build a strong base and have good thralls that are ready to defend your structures from the purge.

On official PVP servers players can only damage structures during certain times set by the admins but you can be killed at any time by other players.

[AnimeBrigade]

Thank you for the replies. I figured they couldnt but wanted to make absolutely sure. I recently came back to conan and joined a pve conflict server and a 3-4man tribe were being toxic killing me (sayng alot of toxic stuff as well) when i was still building and growing. Once i was able to fight back i did and i beat 2 of them and they started to threaten to 'raid' me ect and 4 of them camped outside my base for an hour shooting gas/explosive arrows. (i ended up with 4 sets of their gear cause i kept killing them and running back into my base)

I knew from the get go they couldnt destroy my base and i wasnt walking out with best gear. But im close to a purge now and wanted to make sure they couldnt do structure damage during that time. I appreciate the replies

[Ellorien]

What does “being toxic killing me” mean? What is a non-toxic (i.e., acceptable) way of killing players on a server where killing players is par for the course? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly ambushing presumably weaker players is not against the rules? Or is it about verbal abuse?

[BigBombz]

Originally posted by Ellorien:

What does “being toxic killing me” mean? What is a non-toxic (i.e., acceptable) way of killing players on a server where killing players is par for the course? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly ambushing presumably weaker players is not against the rules? Or is it about verbal abuse?

When other players kill your character they are "toxic" and "retarded" and "stupid kids". When you kill other players characters you are just playing the game and winning because you got skills.
That's pretty much the difference afaik.

[AnimeBrigade]

Originally posted by Ellorien:

What does “being toxic killing me” mean? What is a non-toxic (i.e., acceptable) way of killing players on a server where killing players is par for the course? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly ambushing presumably weaker players is not against the rules? Or is it about verbal abuse?

Was more than just killing me they were saying/trash talking alot. Not gonna repeat some of the things they said cause its easily reportable. But some of the more censored things are calling me a noob. Saying id regret killing them. Even after defending myself against 4 players they spammed me saying tommrow is another day. I just laughed and said ill just not log in during pvp time for a while (probably not true i prob will but it is certainly an option).

But yeah i wasnt as much caring that they killed me just that they were verbally attacking me despite knowing they jumped me when i was both a low level player and busy building at the time. The moment i became a lv 60 with decent gear i managed to kill them and it just escalated the situation lol. When they said they were going to 'war' with me and going to 'raid' me i thought they knew something i didnt like being able to kill my base during the purge or something so i just wanted to make sure my base is fine. If they kill me at some point and steal my loot i honestly dont care. Just didnt wanna lose my base. Wasnt just me either they were bullying other smaller tribes. One of the 4 players actually told me he wasnt gonna bother me anymore cause he knew the other 3 were being toxic. No clue if he was being honest could be a trick but who knows

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Ellorien:

What does “being toxic killing me” mean? What is a non-toxic (i.e., acceptable) way of killing players on a server where killing players is par for the course? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly ambushing presumably weaker players is not against the rules? Or is it about verbal abuse?

The issue is often the verbal abuse, and "griefing." Killing someone once, or a couple times, is one thing, but ganging up on them and camping their corpse, or camping their base so hard they can't leave? That can get to be an issue. It's especially bad when they have no chance in the first place, like a level 10 or 20 character trying to deal with multiple level 60s with top end gear. That's just not fair. It might be permitted - but that doesn't make it right.

I know most of us are aware that there have been clans of 10 (and more when the limit was higher) that have max level characters and epic gear that essentially rule PVP and PVE-C servers and can smash anyone into the dirt which will eventually just make them quit playing.

You basically have to stick with PVE servers if you want zero risk of this kind of behaviour. Most PVE-C servers are going to have a lot less issues since PVP is only on for a few hours each day, but it can still happen. Join a clan (or start one) that has more than a couple people so if something like this does start to happen you've got back up to help out. Heck, one of the PVE-C servers I'm on has a lot of great people who only PVP by arrangement, and if anyone starts getting out of hand they all get together to put a stop to it. There's a lot of negotiation in chat, and people tend to play nice most of the time.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by BigBombz:

Originally posted by Ellorien:

What does “being toxic killing me” mean? What is a non-toxic (i.e., acceptable) way of killing players on a server where killing players is par for the course? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly ambushing presumably weaker players is not against the rules? Or is it about verbal abuse?

When other players kill your character they are "toxic" and "retarded" and "stupid kids". When you kill other players characters you are just playing the game and winning because you got skills.
That's pretty much the difference afaik.

You know it's not that at all.

[AnimeBrigade]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by Ellorien:

What does “being toxic killing me” mean? What is a non-toxic (i.e., acceptable) way of killing players on a server where killing players is par for the course? I am genuinely curious.
Certainly ambushing presumably weaker players is not against the rules? Or is it about verbal abuse?

The issue is often the verbal abuse, and "griefing." Killing someone once, or a couple times, is one thing, but ganging up on them and camping their corpse, or camping their base so hard they can't leave? That can get to be an issue. It's especially bad when they have no chance in the first place, like a level 10 or 20 character trying to deal with multiple level 60s with top end gear. That's just not fair. It might be permitted - but that doesn't make it right.

I know most of us are aware that there have been clans of 10 (and more when the limit was higher) that have max level characters and epic gear that essentially rule PVP and PVE-C servers and can smash anyone into the dirt which will eventually just make them quit playing.

You basically have to stick with PVE servers if you want zero risk of this kind of behaviour. Most PVE-C servers are going to have a lot less issues since PVP is only on for a few hours each day, but it can still happen. Join a clan (or start one) that has more than a couple people so if something like this does start to happen you've got back up to help out. Heck, one of the PVE-C servers I'm on has a lot of great people who only PVP by arrangement, and if anyone starts getting out of hand they all get together to put a stop to it. There's a lot of negotiation in chat, and people tend to play nice most of the time.

Yup pretty much my first issue when i first joined the game on a pvp server. Came back joined a conflict server. They didnt camp me or nothing when i was a low level but they did often jump me and took my stuff while trash talking (never cared that i died or that they took stuff) but once i became a high level with decent gear and i killed them for the first time they started going off on me.

I even messaged them before they trash talked saying i was gonna return their gear so they didnt lose it all and they said return it or not i just started a war with them and id regret taking up arms against them. By the time i got to my base there was 4 of them outside my house and they remained like that for over an hour before they left. I have 4-5 exits in my house so i always sneaked out from part of my house and killed one of them and took there stuff and retreated it. After they died 4 times they gave up and said tommrows another day and that my 'dirty' tricks wont work on them next time even though it was 1v4 they even had 4 beastmaster temos with them so if 1v8 kinda

[Macdallan]

Seems to me that it's pretty typical stuff, which is why I've generally stayed on PVE servers and why I avoid a lot of games that are PVP focused. It's not so much the game or the PVP itself, but the players, their comments, and the attitude you get from them, that I don't like. Just think about the kind of person who gets enjoyment out of that kind of behaviour and it becomes very obvious why a lot of us want to avoid it.

Yeah, in a 4 on 1 you have to be sneaky, or get help from other players. If they're even remotely competent you won't be able to do much against 4 players. Being in a clan with active members helps a lot, and sticking together during PVP hours on PVE-C server seems to make a big difference. When they see more than one player they never know if the whole clan is online or not (since you can't see who's online during PVP hours) unless the list is very short.

[Ellorien]

It looks like ungentlemanly behavior is not against the rules, though. I’d venture a guess that this kind of aggressive stance is inherent to PvP because the game obviously incentivizes the allegedly unscrupulous players to take advantage of what can be identified as an easy target.
In other words, playing dirty to “win” is beneficial, no?
Also, it seems like taunting literally adds insult to injury and makes the whole experience even more unpleasant.

[BigBombz]

Originally posted by Ellorien:

It looks like ungentlemanly behavior is not against the rules, though. I’d venture a guess that this kind of aggressive stance is inherent to PvP because the game obviously incentivizes the allegedly unscrupulous players to take advantage of what can be identified as an easy target.
In other words, playing dirty to “win” is beneficial, no?
Also, it seems like taunting literally adds insult to injury and makes the whole experience even more unpleasant.

You already have made up your mind believing that all pvp players are a-holes and at most you are looking for confirmation to your beliefs. lol
Even still, you would be surprised how nice people usually are on pvp servers in this game, there are of course many reasons for that, obviously most people are nice just because they are nice, but one of the big reasons to play nice on a pvp server is that if you are a a-hole, you will make yourself as a target.
Players who are in the end game don't usually raid other people to get loot, they already have more than enough, they raid because they don't like you or they don't like what you do or did.
Sure sometimes a group emerges to a server just to create havoc and grief by raiding, killing and insulting everybody, but they are in most cases promptly put out of business by other players. Those players who come to play Conan like that usually lack the necessary patience and endurance to play the game for long anyway, and they stop playing and go back to their shooter games of what ever.
Insults and banter in chat with copious amount of salt are a stable part of any pvp game that has global chat, if you get offended by something you read, I don't know what to say... go read a book, perhaps?
My personal experience is that there are more a-holes playing on pve servers just because they want to be/are a-holes, but they can't handle the consequensies of their behavior on pvp servers.

[BigBombz]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by BigBombz:

When other players kill your character they are "toxic" and "retarded" and "stupid kids". When you kill other players characters you are just playing the game and winning because you got skills.
That's pretty much the difference afaik.

You know it's not that at all.

Of course it is. You know that very well even if you don't admit it.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by BigBombz:

Originally posted by Macdallan:

You know it's not that at all.

Of course it is. You know that very well even if you don't admit it.

No, of course it isn't. You said AFAIK which means "as far as I know" and you're wrong, you don't know. You either haven't experienced it or just want to argue about it. Either way I'm done with you.

[Ellorien]

@BigBomz

Lol, please define “being nice” on a PvP server. Do nice players raid other nice players’ bases or not? How do you raid other folks’ bases nicely anyway? Do you leave a thank you note on their corpse? Apologize for the inconvenience?