Why are wheels of pain SO SLOW?

[FRAGaLOT]

I'm playing this game again, solo, for about the 5th time, and for some reason breaking in Thralls, and animals (horses) is REALLY FRIGGIN SLOW now. I'm past the halfway mark to my first purge, and my FIRST THRALL hasn't been broken in yet, barely 1/8th progression. By the time the Purge comes, my thrall still won't be ready. There's food in the Wheel of Pain (lesser) and everything. Has something else changed, or have these things been extremely nerfed? Even crafting seems slower, but at least things are crafted in less than an hour.

[Martin]

Cos fast pain isn't really pain unless you feel it in your bones.. the wheel is to make you believe that there is no hope for you, for you to completely give up on life in freedom and completely depend on your new master. Some people break quicker.. which is why thralls are graded lv 1 to lv 4.. then there's named thralls, who think they're superior.. and they take longer also. Such is life.. if you tried to break me on a wheel.. it'd take you weeks.

[FRAGaLOT]

I don't need lore on what the wheel of pain does. I'm talking about basic game mechanics. I'm only breaking in a level 1 archer on a Lesser wheel of pain, I don't remember it taking THIS LONG to break in a thrall.

[Makoto Naegi]

Server settings --> Thrall crafting time multiplier

Lower that setting to make thralls break in a reasonable amount of time. I forget what the other setting is called, but there's one for animals too. Pet crafting time multiplier, maybe?

[Agent Chieftain]

Something is wrong with your game if it's taking a long time for a Tier 1 archer.

Without a taskmaster, the default thrall times should be:

T1 - 1 hour, 5 minutes
T2 - 3 hours, 18 minutes
T3 - 6 hours, 33 minutes
T4 (named thralls) - 25 hours, 48 minutes.

No idea why the jump from T3 to T4 is so high, but it is.

[FRAGaLOT]

Yeah something isn't right then, because I tend to play for about 3-4 hours, and if it takes just over an hour to tame a thrall i should have it ready to go 4 days ago. In the past even named thralls don't take this long. I know the "lesser" wheel of pain is slower but jeez.

Originally posted by Makoto Naegi:

Server settings --> Thrall crafting time multiplier. Lower that setting to make thralls break in a reasonable amount of time. I forget what the other setting is called, but there's one for animals too. Pet crafting time multiplier, maybe?

Lower it to make it faster? That might be my problem. When it was default it still seemed to take forever, so i raised the value thinking it would speed it up. I'll lower it to minimum so i can have my thrall before i die of old age. LOL thanks!!

[Agent Chieftain]

Then that's the problem. If you change the multiplier to 10, you're not making it 10 times faster. You're multiplying the the base time by ten. So 1 hour would become 10 hours.

[FRAGaLOT]

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

Then that's the problem. If you change the multiplier to 10, you're not making it 10 times faster. You're multiplying the the base time by ten. So 1 hour would become 10 hours.

Yes I just realized it is a multiplier, so wouldn't setting it to zero make it freeze, since multiplying anything with zero would be 0?

[wildbill]

Originally posted by FRAGaLOT:

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

Then that's the problem. If you change the multiplier to 10, you're not making it 10 times faster. You're multiplying the the base time by ten. So 1 hour would become 10 hours.

Yes I just realized it is a multiplier, so wouldn't setting it to zero make it freeze, since multiplying anything with zero would be 0?

You would only be like the millionth person to think that higher would be faster, but in funcom's infinite wisdom, they decide to use this value as a multiplier against how long it takes.

[FRAGaLOT]

Okay, well I got fed up with the slowness, so I started over with a new game and now everything crafts and flows like normal. I think my problem was due to the game I had been playing was an older game save from before the last update. So there must have been some incompatibilities or corruption going on there.

[Martin]

Yeh the server settings is not very intuitive, I found that messing with the taming for pets, that I might lower the setting, then start taming the pet, realise my mistake and change it or increase, then go back and decide to decrease and the pet just never tamed.. even days later still at like 5%. Had to remove pet and restart to get it to tame and left it on server default.

[FRAGaLOT]

I'm not entirely sure WHERE those settings are that control how fast a wheel of pain "crafts" and thrall, or how fast a stable will train a horse. Are they separate?

[Solomon Hawk]

Originally posted by FRAGaLOT:

I'm not entirely sure WHERE those settings are that control how fast a wheel of pain "crafts" and thrall, or how fast a stable will train a horse. Are they separate?

They are separate settings, but you'll find them in your "server" settings while you're in game by going into admin mode. Other than that, you have the opportunity to set those parameters when you start a new game by choosing "Custom" settings (on difficulty) then going through that process to make your necessary changes. Anyway, once you set them where you want them, they'll usually stay locked unless you change those parameters either before you start a new game or change them while in Admin mode. Either way it's doable as long as you're running solo/co-op.
I'm still not entirely clear on remembering exactly where those settings are, but I usually find them if I keep looking.

[Martin]

Some settings multiple the current setting, ie increasing the setting to 10 makes it 10x longer, not 10x faster, which is what I think is most confusing. To make it faster you need to move the slider to the left, and make the setting lower but even at it's lowest, pets still take a decent while. Thralls however can be tamed almost instantly.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by FRAGaLOT:

Why are wheels of pain SO SLOW?

Just to be a pain? xD

[FRAGaLOT]

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

They are separate settings, but you'll find them in your "server" settings while you're in game by going into admin mode. Other than that, you have the opportunity to set those parameters when you start a new game by choosing "Custom" settings (on difficulty) then going through that process to make your necessary changes..

ok but what are they called? I've been up and down these settings while in admin mode and the only thing i can figure out is under "crafting" which seems to be the wrong place for tweaking how fast thralls get converted.