Somethings not right tier 3 as good as a tier 4

[FairlyGrimm]

Why do tier 3 Aesir thralls have almost the same health and damage bonus as tier 4 sherpa and fighter and beserker.

[Sevrojin]

base stats are dictated by race/faction

[FairlyGrimm]

Yes but a tier 3 Aesir shouldn't have almost the same health in some cases more health then a tier 4 aesir once your done leveling it. Something seems off about the health levels that they maybe over looked when they nerfed thrall health %.

[BMN_Narrlequin]

Stats are somewhat random when you level em up i think(also you can influence this with food, which you probably know) and then theres the fully random perks that give positive and/or negative bonuses

[Scourn]

yeah you are looking at the terrible perk system causing you issues. If you get all archery perks and bad rolls on a cimmerian berserker you can end up with like 4k health and hardly any bonus damage. Or good rolls you end up with 9 or 10k health and 40 bonus damage. Same goes for all thralls and from my testing of rerolls hundreds of times the numbers seem to be against you as survival and archery perks are a constant. I have even seen 100% stat rolls not increase when leveling up. I would say the entire system is bugged but in all honesty I think funcom did it intentionally to lower the power creep of thralls that trivialize content.

[sycoman2]

Perk rng is a real ♥♥♥♥♥.
Ive got 20 survival perks across 16 pets on my siptah server.

[Scourn]

Originally posted by sycoman2:

Perk rng is a real ♥♥♥♥♥.
Ive got 20 survival perks across 16 pets on my siptah server.

the entire system is rigged I promise you. Me and my girl used pickup to reroll thralls over 100 times and it usually ended with survival or archery perks on fighters 9 times out of ten. Not to mention if you did get lucky enough to get good perks like cannibal or resolve etc your stat rolls were so low it would counter act the actual bonuses. I complained on their forums about this and the devs moved it from bugs to suggestions so I am 100% sure they have no intention of changing this or fixing it if its broke.

[sycoman2]

Yeah i have no doubt that its rigged, only got 6 strength perks out of those 16 pets.
One of my sabertooths got triple agi perks and still had less then 500 armor cause their agi to armor ratio is about the worst of any pet.

[Mike Hawthorne]

It's really a shot in the dark how your Thrall and Pets come out.
I decided to train up a Bearer.

I figured at least she has all those slots so she could come in handy.
She ended up with over seven thousand eight hundred health, and has over six hundred armor plus a decent attack rating.

Far more than any of my fighters or archers.

Between the armor and the health she is virtually impossible to kill.
I got killed once and had to run back across the world to my body, but I was worried that I was going to lose her.

When I got back to my body she was still there battling one of the bosses almost 15 minutes later.
I was able to get my stuff, click on her and get her to follow me away to safety.

And on the island I trained a hyena in the beginning and he is tougher than many other thralls.

I've trained Thralls I had high hopes for and ended up with so many negatives they aren't worth the effort it took to train them.

[FairlyGrimm]

Yea the perk thing can be a pain i re roll all the ones that get crap perks (i wind up re rolling allot). It sucks you finally get that last level 20 perk and its something like - str +acc on a fighter thrall. That's not really the issue tho because we were compairing my tier 4 aesir sherpa that got all health and str perks with a friends couple of tier 3 aesir that also got health and str perks and the tier 3s one of the tier 3's even had more health then the tier 4. Tier 3 as a rule shouldn't get as much health or more per point then a tier 4 if they do their really isnt any reason to go after tier 4 fighters and sherpas.

[Scourn]

Originally posted by FairlyGrimm:

yea the perk thing can be a pain i re roll all the ones that get crap perks. Thats not really the issue tho because we were compairing my tier 4 aesir sherpa that got all health and str perks with a friends couple of tier 3 aesir that also got health and str perks and the tier 3s one of the tier 3's even had more health then the tier 4.

did you check their vitality and strength actual rolls to see if they just ended up with better rolls and not just the perks?

[FairlyGrimm]

Originally posted by Mike Hawthorne:

Between the armor and the health she is virtually impossible to kill.
I got killed once and had to run back across the world to my body, but I was worried that I was going to lose her.

When I got back to my body she was still there battling one of the bosses almost 15 minutes later.
I was able to get my stuff, click on her and get her to follow me away to safety.

Actually as long as no one is near the spot you died the server deloads the chunk so it basically pauses combat until you get close then it re loads everything and the fight resumes. So odds are good as long as it wasn't already almost dead when you died or someone else wandered into the area.

[FairlyGrimm]

hmm even if the 3's got a couple more points in vit they still shouldn't be any where near the health of a tier 4 should they? The health per point would still have to be on par with the tier 4 for that to be possible.

[Macdallan]

They've completely ruined the game with this overhaul. They need to go back to the previous update and re-think. It is so bad that I can't even bring myself to play, and I want to... I just can't do it.

[Scourn]

Originally posted by FairlyGrimm:

hmm even if the 3's got a couple more points in vit they still shouldn't be any where near the health of a tier 4 should they? The health per point would still have to be on par with the tier 4 for that to be possible.

that depends on the base health with the upgrade. I know on Siptah for example the difference between the health of a Tier 3 and Tier 4 is not that much for say forgotten tribe. Your best way to look at all that is spawn in a tier 3 and tier 4 as an admin in single player or on your server and look at each of their stats.