Grease Orbs

[Sir Víve]

I hear you can catch fire to one grease orb and then refresh the fire over and over with more grease orbs. Cost's hardly anything to destroy a T3 wall or a Vault this way. Is this being balanced or changed?

[Renjimaru]

Its pretty much the offline raiders choice of tool.
The reason i say that is because if you do it while someones online, they will defintely discover you/your deeds before they manage to break into any of your good stuff.

Probably like a 30minute or more timer to burn a vault with demonfire orbs.
i'd say 10minutes for a t3.

[Digital Daydream]

I would also like to know if this cheap tactic will be addressed soon. Seems a pretty big tool and very un balanced way to raid. * Bump*

[KevBal]

I wouldnt call it cheap. farming volital glands isnt quick. there are like 7 or 8 red imps spawned at a time scattered through noob river with a very long respawn timer. on vanilla settings its 1 gland per kill if it doesnt pop before u kill it. i gather 60-70 per run. even with farming thrall I still gather more glands than i do fire orbs after a full clear of lets say the pirate ship and i play 5x harvest. And at 10 mins to knock down a t3 wall 1 orb every 20-30 seconds. gets expensive real quick.

[Socrates Johnson]

引用自 KevBal98：

I wouldnt call it cheap. farming volital glands isnt quick. there are like 7 or 8 red imps spawned at a time scattered through noob river with a very long respawn timer. on vanilla settings its 1 gland per kill if it doesnt pop before u kill it. i gather 60-70 per run. even with farming thrall I still gather more glands than i do fire orbs after a full clear of lets say the pirate ship and i play 5x harvest. And at 10 mins to knock down a t3 wall 1 orb every 20-30 seconds. gets expensive real quick.

I have 75 demonfire and 75 grease orbs and I haven't crafted a single orb yet. And the issue is with the grease orbs. You throw a single demonfire orb and refresh it with cheap grease orbs.

[Rinini]

引用自 Thulsa Doom：

I have 75 demonfire and 75 grease orbs and I haven't crafted a single orb yet. And the issue is with the grease orbs. You throw a single demonfire orb and refresh it with cheap grease orbs.

Which means the actual problem is to delete orbs from drop lists (I got like 50 of each kind on the ship, which can be easily farmed from 20 onwards - probably more easy once the stats are on armor). And how to make grease orbs more expensive?
Another way to fix this is adding those orbs to the things which wont be damaging any buildings higher than t2. (No dmg after T1 would be too soon but killing T3 bases should need more investment. But I'm yet to sometime try pvp, so I dont really know...)

[Redrick]

Orbs are good, do not tuch it. Look at the trebuchet instead.

[Sir Víve]

I think you are right @Nuria

[Abcsam]

here is a video of a guy taking down a vault in about 15 mins with grease orbs.3 people are in a vault in 6 mins also note the part he only used 1 demon fire orb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg2Hl771TFk&t=225s

[Socrates Johnson]

引用自 Nuria：

Which means the actual problem is to delete orbs from drop lists (I got like 50 of each kind on the ship, which can be easily farmed from 20 onwards - probably more easy once the stats are on armor). And how to make grease orbs more expensive?
Another way to fix this is adding those orbs to the things which wont be damaging any buildings higher than t2. (No dmg after T1 would be too soon but killing T3 bases should need more investment. But I'm yet to sometime try pvp, so I dont really know...)

I would go beyond that and have multiple grease orbs not stack. One at a time burning only, so if you throw 10 of them and light them it still only counts as one burning.

PvP is all out of balance anyway. Way too easy to destroy T3 structures compared to the time it takes to build them.

[𝕯𝖗𝖔𝖈𝖍-ค𝔬𝔫]

The word on the street, aka testlive.

Orbs are not damaging vaults anymore.

I don't know if this is intended or not.

[Ueightonetwo]

I think most of you are wrong about it being Hard to collect. you guys are saying 75 + glands Wtf are you smokeing,,, 10 glands /imps/ thralls drop them . you need 10 Glands MAX to raid some one 1 glad = 1 fire orb 10 fire orbs. U can Break 10 layers of t3Foundations/walls . Or 10 vaults ... All you need is 1 fire orb and about 60 GReease orbs Keep the Fire going for an unlimited Amount of Time. Keep throwing Greeze And the fire will never DIE OUT/ Or the other way to raid some one is With Jars. that take 100 steelfire each to make dragon powder.


To make Dragon powder you need
2 Demon Blood
10 Brimstone
50 Crystal
(100 Steelfire=(200 Tar 100Brimstone)
(Need 100 Steelfire for 1 explosive jar )


1 pottery
5 Tar
1 Dragonpowder
= 1 explosives Jar

T2 Door - 3 explosives Jars
T2 Wall - 5 explosives Jars
T2 Foundation - 5 explosives Jars
T3 Door - 5 Bombs explosives Jars
T3 Wall - 7? explosives Jars
T3 Foundation - 7/8? explosives Jars
Vault - 40 explosives Jars

VS
grease orbs = 1 Water Orb/5 Tar

Fire orb / Can be found from Thralls drops Both orbs and glands/Imps-glands/ + water orb

t2 Door 1 Fire ORB 3 grease Orbs
T2 Wall - 1 fire orb 5 Grease orbs
T2 Foundation - 1 fire orb 5 Grease orbs
T3 Door - 1 fire orb 5 grease orbs
T3 Wall - 1 fire orb 7 grease orbs
T3 Foundation - 1 fire orbs 7/8 grease orbs
Vault - 1 fire orb 40 Grease orbs

[Abcsam]

引用自 ueightonetwo：

I think most of you are wrong about it being Hard to collect. you guys are saying 75 + glands Wtf are you smokeing,,, 10 glands /imps/ thralls drop them . you need 10 Glands MAX to raid some one 1 glad = 1 fire orb 10 fire orbs. U can Break 10 layers of t3Foundations/walls . Or 10 vaults ... All you need is 1 fire orb and about 60 GReease orbs Keep the Fire going for an unlimited Amount of Time. Keep throwing Greeze And the fire will never DIE OUT

Yup the video i lineked illustrates this.

[ibherb]

well, there isnt much you can do to defend your place. I know Funcom touts the crenualted walls, seige cauldrons, thrall archers as good defense, but thats bullshat. No raider even climbs to make those of any use to the defender, they just destroy the foundation and all above it collpases. They'll never even touch the spikes at the top, or risk getting shot off by the archer thralls. Archer Thralls have a limited downward shot, which is almost non existant, so if you're attacking the base of the tower, thralls are useless. Plus we all know the brave raiders wait until you're offline.

[≫ (WTH) Leipzig vonPreußen]

say me how you raid a base who someone culd put over 40 walls with fence foundations in a cave, you can't put jar cause is verry terrible the placement area of a jar, you can't use a god cause the damn god cant enter the cave, even set, to destroy a vault in testlive today is impossible orbs don't do dammage on it, set dont do damage on it 64 jars and only made 400k of damage in vault, the raid system nowdays is ok, the new combat system will make some type of bases almost impossible to raid, and is logical that the fire don't sotp if you keep feeding it with grease orb

[ibherb]

trebuche?