Lets start our game theories thread! *spoilers heavy*

[Feena]

I was wondering if any of you guys would like to share your theories about the game and what we will expect in the next episode as it stopped in a huge cliffhanger.

I've been wondering who the strange girl who's been following us is, but remember after finishing the main game without the bonus chapter, there was a short cutscene where the girl with black hair said "You seem disappointing, did you really think I was your sister?" This line made me wonder who she really is. My sister says it could be the mother.. but I don't know.

Here is my theory: I think the girl is someone who died long ago and was buried in that coffin we find underneath the house, her name is Elizabeth too because in the bonus chapter the man called her as 'little Liz' when he went all crazy and started to believe her. So she share the same name as the mother who was lured into this house by that family and was knocked up somehow (but since it was close to that tombs area, i'd assume it was a demon)

I'm assuming the 3rd sister Dahlia was possessed by this girl, this is why she was wild, but after she died in that fire, she was unleashed and went after the mother, then the 2nd sister, now she is after the main character to kill them all? but for what reason?

I'd like to discuss this with you guys until we get the demo for the 2nd episode :D I'm so excited to learn more about this story!

[Feena]

Yes I remember that photo of Holly when her face turned into a demon, also the same happened when she looked at the photo of herself close to the stairs in her sister's room, her face reflected a demon look again before the glass broke. Do you think she is the actual demon who that rich family tried to resurrect? why else they have graves under the house?

I can't think of anyone who'd make that phone call other than the demons and ghosts in that asylum x3

About the dream, perhaps because they are twins they can see the same stuff? perhaps she find it familiar because their third sister Dahlia was there and seen everything, so it feels like they already saw the place as well? and the dreams are something their sister sending to their thoughts because they are all connected somehow?

In Heather's diary, perhaps she want revenge from Laudius family who started all of this by dragging their mother Elisabeth to this house.

I was wondering about the bonus chapter, that guard man who fell in love with their mother, he was speaking to the ghost girl, so she is totally different person from Elisabeth, Dahlia and Holly herself. So the theory that the ghost girl is the mother is false, and it is surely not Dahlia because her hair is black, remember in the demo, the picture of the mother and 3rd sister, she looked like Holly and Heather.

Do you think the ghost girl's name is Elisabeth, and that grave under the house belongs to her? It could be the reason why Charles got Holly mother to the house coz she have the same name and perhaps looks? black hair and all, so they can use her as a vassal for this ghost girl, to resurrect her through her or by impregnate her to make her reborn?

[ms52]

Good reasoning, Feena. I forgot re Holly's face in the photo in her sister's house.

Holly could be the demon, or part demon ...... Not sure, but she did draw the Evil girl on the day her mother died, and she has memory lapses. She did not remember drawing that picture, nor she remembers how her mother died.

The graveyard under the house seems to be really old, and I guess it was there already when the construction of the house started.
Under the well, there is a coffin with some Medieval king ..... Why?

Another interesting thing I noticed is the photo of the twin girls in front of the Laudius Estate.
Behind and around the twins are 7 Men! No women whatsoever, just little Holly and Heather.

Back to the mother, why was she making a wedding dress?

It is interesting that the Real Estate Agent saw the Evil girl, and she lured him to the well, and she changed her face to that of his daughter, Angie.

The RE Agent, after his fall into the deep well, wrote that he Heard THEM in the other room (graveyard), and he could see THEIR shadows on the wall. He knew that THEY were coming for him.

So: US, WE, THEY ..... Who are "THEY" ??? More demons?

3rd Tape, it was edited twice by the Evil girl. 1. Mother said " Don't find HER", recording said: "You must find HER"
2. Mother said:"You must never go to the Dark Falls Asylum", recording said:"You Must Go to the Dark Falls Asylum".

Yes, both the mother's and the Evil girl's hair are Black.
All the triplets have/had blonde hair.

It could well be that the Evil girl is/was another Elisabeth in the past.
The mother could have been a vessel to birth this "HER/IT" entity.

Since I paid more attention this time, I also found it interesting that Holly's figurine was inside her mother's coffin .....

The mother wrote that she had a dream of an Evil Temple under the house, and saw a large coffin with her own name on it!
She opened the coffin and saw something really scary in it! The fear woke the mother up.

Such an intriguing story ......

[Feena]

Yes ms52 I forgot that part when she draw the evil girl as a child, what if she's been seeing her as a child but that girl erased her memories? Also, why Holly have the ability to see through things? Like returning them as they were before or see memories from a room or spot? like the dinning room, it was all broken then suddenly it returned as new.
Same happened in the demo, in the security room with all the screen, Holly held her head as if she was having a headache then she saw throw the guard who was there! This made me wonder if she is actually a human!

It is interesting in the demo how she wrote in the journal about the evil girl 'Am I following her or she is following me' Perhaps the girl want to show us something happened in the Asylum.

[ms52]

Yes, we have 2 enigmas, Holly and the Evil girl. They seem to share some memories, or rather the Evil girl, called Black Dahlia is manipulating Holly, and other people, such as the guard, Jack Smith.

Jack's note said that SHE is not evil, that SHE showed everything to him, and that everyone else in the Asylum is evil!
That someone must stop them! She also told him that Lisa will kill herself .....

Holly mentions that everyone who sighted/saw HER, died afterwards, except Holly!

Back to Jack; his later note said: "SHE made me Do it. Everyone believes I killed those people.SHE says SHE can help me find out what happened to my Elizabeth .... I finally see what SHE wanted from me! The Dagger .... it's Gone!"
Must have been some sort of sacrificial dagger.

Then we have few notes from Charles Laudius, admitting working together with the Asylum Doctor, orchestrating the Fire, in which Dahlia supposedly died (or did she?), and admitting stopping the mother, Elizabeth, from escaping with The Child ....
So, he admits of murdering Elizabeth, but I wonder which Child is Charles talking about?
Holly or Dahlia?

Holly talks about her recurring nightmares in which she dies ..... then notices that all strings lead to Dahlia .....

Holly also suspected that Charles hated her and Heather, so back to the earlier question, was Charles expecting only one child to be born, Dahlia?

In the Extras section, there is a story about young Dahlia, in her cell in the Asylum, being very scared and discovering that she was Not alone!

Did the Evil girl possess Dahlia, and thus became Dark Dahlia later?

Holly's siter Heather, believed in a conspiracy and called Holly a traitor for not helping her to try and discover the truth.

Yes, as you wrote, Feena, I too think the the Evil girl is leading/or following Holly back to the Asylum.

That's enough of my mind doing cart-wheels ..... LOL

[Feena]

Oh yes the dagger the guard mentioned, it seems to be the same dagger you found in Elizabeth's room which carved on the door 'I was here' and it was in Heather's house, in that locked ritual room. Right now this dagger is with holly, in her car, perhaps this dagger has some kind of power and can kill 'ghosts' or maybe she will use it to either kill the evil girl or Charles.

I'm having a thought now.. Maybe Holly and Heather are the 'demon's daughters since they have blonde hair unlike Dahlia! Dahlia has a black one like her mother and grandparents, however holly and heather are blondes like.. Charles! I've been under the impression that he is the father of the three girls, he must have drugged Elizabeth when she was young and impregnate her, since she was playing close to that graveyard and suddenly lost conscious, it could be either Charles 'Because he reacted to the kids when she gave birth, he gave her the house, he is the one who control kind of everything in Elizabeth's life and she even call him by his first name, not Mr.Laudius or something. He also reacted when he learned Elizabeth talking to the guard, perhaps jealous or he doesn't want her to be connected to anyone but him? or perhaps that'd ruin his plans with taking care of Dahlia?

Also judging from the evil girl's clothes, she looks like someone from the past because no one wears a gown like this? or was that the asylum's outfit?

Remember the post man who delivered your sister's letter to you? From his look, i'd say he was possessed by the evil girl or something to get this letter to you to start this discovery journey.

once again, the evil girl herself said something in the 2nd game trailer after you finish the first one, she said ' are you disappointed i'm not your sister' So she is something else.
Also there was another trailer on youtube when she said 'You followed the hints from an animated scary doll, and you are surprised you didn't end up in a happy place" I realllly hope she is not Holly's misplaced doll since she said her doll is somewhere when she saw Dhalia's doll upstairs which was ripped apart, and Heather's doll is the one you have and gives you hints. Was these dolls from Laudius? where did the mother get them for the gift Christmas? I'm not liking these dolls XD

The last hint Heather left before dying is the tree house, do you think there is some connection to the 'toy's'? She could have just draw a doll, or she just wanted Holly to know she meant she must go back to their childhood house?

There are so many things Holly did in her childhood which she doesn't remember, this part is interesting.

[Chudah]

Just finished the game, and while I like some of these theories, I think maybe we're reading more into things than we need. There are still a lot of unknowns, so it's hard to make calls based on the piecemeal information we've gotten, but I have a few ideas based on the evidence we've received thus far. My observations based on information gatherered in my playthrough:

Elizabeth was unknowingly roped into some demonic ritual by the Laudius family, which ended with her pregnant. Whether this was done through supernatural means or by Charles himself is unknown (I'm suspecting it was both), but it's mentioned that he wasn't surprised that she was pregnant when the news got to him. He was, however, concerned about it being triplets. Something that I found quite interesting is that when the realtor saw the "ghost girl", he said it looked like his Angie. I think this is a BIG clue as to who she really is. As a member of the Laudius family, his children would likely bear a resemblance to other family members. The fact that this girl looked similar to his daughter (perhaps they're cousins), leads me to believe that Charles Laudius is indeed the father of the triplets, or in the very least some other member of the family is. That would also mean the ghost girl is physically connected to them all.

I don't think Holly or Heather were evil, but I do think Dahlia was, or at least it was something within her that made her so. It's clear she was a crazed and violent child. The audio tapes showed that Elizabeth indeed loved her third daughter and was tortured over having to lock her away and eventually send her off to an asylum. Dahlia's room shows us she played wicked games with her toys, torturing them (she even drew an evil face on the doll she was given). I don't think this was a result of her being locked away, but of her being possessed by something malevolent.

When Dahlia was eventually sent to the asylum, whatever was in her, this evil spirit, either completely overtook her, or broke free of her physical form and killed the rest of the patients. That's why the patient cell block was locked down for several months, no food in, nothing out, no visitors allowed, only certain staff members pre-approved by management.

According to the bonus chapter, Jack Smith, one of the asylum guards, was involved with Elizabeth, who he most likely met while she visited Dahlia. They fell in love and may have even planned to marry at some point (Elizabeth's wedding dress). Perhaps Jack became more concerned with Dahlia after getting involved with her mother and began visiting and talking to her more, I don't know. But it's apparent that Dahlia eventually got to him in some way, spurring him to a murder spree of the rest of the staff. It's possible he may have been the one to release Dahlia from the cell block.

Now that Dahlia is loose, she's going after her sisters whom she's resented all those years, watching them play and be happy while she was locked away like a caged animal.

[Chudah]

Playing through a second time for achievements, and something I noticed. The answering machine message from Dark Falls Asylum says: "...so sad you didn't come to see us...Guess we'll have to come see you now."

This is obviously Dahlia talking, but she uses "We" instead of "I". I think this is a clear indication that she is indeed possessed by some spirit, and together they were trying to convince Heather to come to "them" at the asylum, sending dozens of fake letters inviting her there. When she failed to go, they decided to come to her instead. Once Dahlia managed to kill Heather, she turned her attention to her second sister sending the registered letter to Holly.

I'm also fairly certain Dahlia killed her mother and Holly was there when it happened, but was so traumatized by the experience she mentally blocked it from her memory. Heather must have discovered something of the truth since then, which is why she kept telling Holly there's more to her mother's death than everyone was saying.

[ms52]

Hi Chudah,

Thanks for joining our wild/or not theories thread!
It is addictive, the game, and playing it again can either answer some questions or create more ...... LOL

Regarding the Realtor and his daughter, Angie, I think that the Dark Dahlia/evil girl just turned herself into his daughter's image, so SHE could manipulate him to fall into the well.

Great point re mother's Wedding Dress and the guard Jack Smith! It makes sense that since they fell in love with each other, they were possibly planning to get married.

SHE/Dark Dahlia was manipulating Jack in the Asylum, and went on a rampage.


Yes, with the Bonus Chapter I noticed the: WE and US voice recording, and it puzzled me.

As to the Mother's death, I noticed that Charles Laudius practically admitted that he "took the matter into his own hands to stop the Mother escaping with The Child"
Whether he was influenced by the Dark Dahlia or made Dark Dahlia kill Elizabeth, I don't know.

It is unclear to me, who The Child was that Elizabeth was planning to escape with, Dahlia or Holly.
Elizabeth, in her tape 3 said that she wanted to take Holly away from the house, but was she also planning to take Dahlia away from the Asylum?

Yes, we have the Notes and Hints, and I am hoping that Part 2 will come out soon!

In the meantime, it is great to toss ideas around, the more the better!

[Feena]

引用自 Chudah (DND)：

Just finished the game, and while I like some of these theories, I think maybe we're reading more into things than we need.

Hello Chudah, so happy to have another fan joining us :D and you are right hehe we are reading into things but what else can we do while waiting for the 2nd game x3 it is fun and could turn real one day!!

引用自 Chudah (DND)：

Something that I found quite interesting is that when the realtor saw the "ghost girl", he said it looked like his Angie. I think this is a BIG clue as to who she really is. As a member of the Laudius family, his children would likely bear a resemblance to other family members. The fact that this girl looked similar to his daughter (perhaps they're cousins)

That'd be really interesting but as what ms52 said, I think the realtor was referring to his own daughter who she made herself looks like her, and that leads to another theory, what is this look of the ghost girl we know isn't the real one? what if she made herself looks like Dahlia to lure Holly/ the guard/ and heather.

引用自 Chudah (DND)：

This is obviously Dahlia talking, but she uses "We" instead of "I". I think this is a clear indication that she is indeed possessed by some spirit, and together they were trying to convince Heather to come to "them" at the asylum, sending dozens of fake letters inviting her there

I thought that voice belong to a male, but you could be right, it can be her voice or a demon's voice.

[Feena]

引用自 ms52：

Hi Chudah,


As to the Mother's death, I noticed that Charles Laudius practically admitted that he "took the matter into his own hands to stop the Mother escaping with The Child"
Whether he was influenced by the Dark Dahlia or made Dark Dahlia kill Elizabeth, I don't know.

Now that you mentioned it, it seems Charles cares about 'one' child, since he said 'stop her from escaping with the "Child"' and not children. hmmm, so perhaps he know which 'child' he really needs and I can assume it is holly because of the mother message to her 'He said you are doomed'

引用自 ms52：

It is unclear to me, who The Child was that Elizabeth was planning to escape with, Dahlia or Holly.
Elizabeth, in her tape 3 said that she wanted to take Holly away from the house, but was she also planning to take Dahlia away from the Asylum?

When she decided to escape with the 'girls' I recall she said Dahlia died in that fire accident 'her poor baby' and after that Elizabeth died as well, does this mean the demon who was possessing Dahlia was unleashed and went all crazy with killing?

[Chudah]

引用自 ms52：

Great point re mother's Wedding Dress and the guard Jack Smith! It makes sense that since they fell in love with each other, they were possibly planning to get married.

Just something else that came to mind was the diamond engagement ring hidden in the statue at the asylum. This seems like another hint that they were considering marriage. Perhaps Jack even hid it there?

SHE/Dark Dahlia was manipulating Jack in the Asylum, and went on a rampage.

It seems like Dark Dahlia whispers to her victims before she gets them to do what she wants. She did similar to Heather and had also started whispering to the Realtor. I think she slowly gets into their heads until she's driven them mad enough to manipulate into seeing things and doing her will. It's kinda creepy when you look at it that way.

As to the Mother's death, I noticed that Charles Laudius practically admitted that he "took the matter into his own hands to stop the Mother escaping with The Child"
Whether he was influenced by the Dark Dahlia or made Dark Dahlia kill Elizabeth, I don't know.

It's hard to say since we don't have all of the details of that night, and there are definitely plot points that have not been revealed to us yet. But I'm convinced Holly was there as she drew the picture of Dark Dahlia the day her mother was killed, and then the whole shock/trauma she went through afterwards. She's obviously blocking something out that was too traumatizing for her to handle.

It is unclear to me, who The Child was that Elizabeth was planning to escape with, Dahlia or Holly.
Elizabeth, in her tape 3 said that she wanted to take Holly away from the house, but was she also planning to take Dahlia away from the Asylum?

I think she discovered the truth about Dahlia and was going to leave with Holly at that point. That's why in Tape 3 she told them to never go to the Dark Falls Asylum. She knew what happened there, possibly from Jack revealing what he'd uncovered. Once Charles realized she was onto them, he had her murdered. How he went about doing that, I'm unsure, especially since I'm fairly sure Dahlia was involved in some way.

Yes, we have the Notes and Hints, and I am hoping that Part 2 will come out soon!

I need it now, OMG! XD

[Chudah]

引用自 Feena：

When she decided to escape with the 'girls' I recall she said Dahlia died in that fire accident 'her poor baby' and after that Elizabeth died as well, does this mean the demon who was possessing Dahlia was unleashed and went all crazy with killing?

I think this is very likely. According to the bonus materials, Dahlia had blonde hair, like her sisters, but Dark Dahlia clearly does not. I have a feeling what we're seeing is this demonic entity that was originally trapped inside Dahlia having been set free by her death and is now wreaking hell on earth, so to speak.

[ms52]

Yes, Feena, the Mother was talking about Dahlia dying in the Asylum Fire, in her message that Holly listened to, and that recording was changed by HER.

So, it seems Holly is the Special one ..... the one Charles "cared about"
Yes, I forgot that Charles said to Elizabeth: "You are Doomed!"

Dark Dahlia (SHE, HER) possessed Dahlia, so either real Dahlia did die in the fire, or not really, if the Evil girl/Dark Dahlia took control of Dahlia .....

[ms52]

引用自 Chudah (DND)：

引用自 ms52：

Great point re mother's Wedding Dress and the guard Jack Smith! It makes sense that since they fell in love with each other, they were possibly planning to get married.

Just something else that came to mind was the diamond engagement ring hidden in the statue at the asylum. This seems like another hint that they were considering marriage. Perhaps Jack even hid it there?

SHE/Dark Dahlia was manipulating Jack in the Asylum, and went on a rampage.

It seems like Dark Dahlia whispers to her victims before she gets them to do what she wants. She did similar to Heather and had also started whispering to the Realtor. I think she slowly gets into their heads until she's driven them mad enough to manipulate into seeing things and doing her will. It's kinda creepy when you look at it that way.

As to the Mother's death, I noticed that Charles Laudius practically admitted that he "took the matter into his own hands to stop the Mother escaping with The Child"
Whether he was influenced by the Dark Dahlia or made Dark Dahlia kill Elizabeth, I don't know.

It's hard to say since we don't have all of the details of that night, and there are definitely plot points that have not been revealed to us yet. But I'm convinced Holly was there as she drew the picture of Dark Dahlia the day her mother was killed, and then the whole shock/trauma she went through afterwards. She's obviously blocking something out that was too traumatizing for her to handle.

It is unclear to me, who The Child was that Elizabeth was planning to escape with, Dahlia or Holly.
Elizabeth, in her tape 3 said that she wanted to take Holly away from the house, but was she also planning to take Dahlia away from the Asylum?

I think she discovered the truth about Dahlia and was going to leave with Holly at that point. That's why in Tape 3 she told them to never go to the Dark Falls Asylum. She knew what happened there, possibly from Jack revealing what he'd uncovered. Once Charles realized she was onto them, he had her murdered. How he went about doing that, I'm unsure, especially since I'm fairly sure Dahlia was involved in some way.

Yes, we have the Notes and Hints, and I am hoping that Part 2 will come out soon!

I need it now, OMG! XD

Chudah (DND),

Great points!

Yes, re Wedding ring in the statue, and Yes for possibly Jack revealing information to Elizabeth, hence her planning escape attempt with Holly.

And yes, re Dark Dahlia having dark hair and being a demonic entity.

Great Discussion!

[chumface]

Could Holly have killed her mother? Could she then somehow have been committed to Dark Falls? Could she have then killed all those people at the assylum, escaped and went back and killed her sister? Is she the "Special one"? (the demonic entity that Charles Laudius wanted to conceive/create)? just random thoughts