Deconstructing the #saveTF2 Petition

[rocketgreentea]

Unless you've been living under a rock, you've seen the new petition floating around the community. That's right, #saveTF2 is back and I doubt that this time you guys will even get a tweet. Anyway, out of curiosity I decided to check out the petition, and there are so many flaws in the description that I am baffled anyone signed it in the first place. Lets deconstruct this together.

Despite being 16+ years old, Team Fortress 2 is one of the most played and most beloved games of all time. However, despite its massive community and long-lasting impact on gaming, TF2 is in an unplayable state.

Starting off strong with a bunch of blatant misinformation here. TF2 is NOT one of the most played games of all time (beloved is also questionable). Despite popular belief, TF2 did not peak at 200,000 players like people have led you to believe, the information giving by steamcharts is not accurate, as it counts online players and not players in a server. Lastly, the only long-lasting impact this game had on gaming is introducing micro-transactions, so you can thank TF2 for the reason you have to pay for skins in every new game that releases.

The game is overrun with bots that instantly kill every player trying to play the game, spread hate speech, and use their power over the community for financial gain. We want to show Valve that there is no room in the community for the problematic individuals who host these bots, and This Petition is not a direct means of changing things, but a show of numbers for the number of people who want to take a stand against them.

While it is true that the game is overrun with bots, they are easily avoidable. Players can also kick them out easily. I'd say the cheater problem is worse than the bot problem as cheaters are harder to detect than the blatant spinbot sniper spamming voice lines and a noisemaker. Not to mention that community servers exist, if you really find kicking bots out of a lobby THAT terrible you can join one of the countless servers that have their own anticheat in place. Also, financial gain? Bot hosters don't get money for hosting bots, I have no idea where this point even came from? The only people who get financial gain from bots are TF2 YOUTUBERS as they profited heavily off of the original #saveTF2 movement, and are probably planning to again since you suckers love throwing them money.

Valve must do something, because these bots shouldn’t have a platform in a beloved and massive game like TF2. We're asking for an open dialogue between Valve and the community. We understand that Valve has other responsibilities, but they have a responsibility to take care of TF2. We ask for open communication from Valve and more clear indication of their plans for TF2.

Valve will not do anything, and that is a fact. This is a false hope operation and I don't know how people refuse to see this? The first time didn't work, so why would it work again? Especially with even less people backing it this time... You start another #saveTF2 because the item servers are down for a couple of days? What a joke. God forbid you lose your 5,000 dollar inventories for 2 days guys. Maybe enjoy the game the way it was intended to be played without all of the crutch unlocks? Valve does not do open dialogue, and they never will. It is also not their responsibility to take care of TF2, as the game is not in an "unplayable" state. Unplayable means that you are not able to play the game. I can boot up TF2 right now and get in a match. So no, TF2 is not "unplayable".

**please do not donate to promote this petition, simply share it with friends.

This part is the funniest to me, because the guy who posted this explicitly said not to donate. (Because it won't do anything) yet like the hive-mind the TF2 community is, they throw away their money on a useless petition that won't do anything anyway. Congratulations guys, you threw money at a stranger that doesn't even know what to do with it. You sure showed those bot hosters! Together we can #saveTF2!

TL:DR
This movement is a joke, the petition is flawed. Accept the fact that another major update will never come.

[Mina]

It makes me sad knowing so. I can rest with small community seasonal updates.

[Vimpin45]

No dude the petition is really clever let me break it down for you clearly a valve employee will see it and cry tears of unbridled joy at the sight of such a wholesome community coming together and begging for release from the evil bot shackles. ill tell ya when i woke up from my gaming chair and saw that post i wept and got tears all over my hairy tummy #saveTF2 #pleasevalve #banallf2p #tf2support. come on guys were a community we should be putting the team in fortress 2.

[Cat_Soldier]

The petition is just an example of how disorganized, and how unplanned this new "SaveTF2" is. It is also an example of how people will do anything to take advantage of the clout that SaveTF2 provides. The fundamental flaw of this hash tag is the fact it was concieved By youtubers For youtubers. They will always try to deny this but it's true, it was just a big advertisement. Not to mention the fact that they continuously push it.

They weaponize their audiences by saying "Valve will definitely do something good this time, just spread this word everywhere! Its totally not advertising its caring for the game!" Instead of actually doing something helpful like spreading the word of community servers and how they can be used to avoid the bots, they decide to do this, this awful movement and brainwash people into loving it.

Hell people get so brainwashed they go out of their way to attack anyone who doesn't support it (but thats a topic for another thread). Going back to the petition, its funny how they spread misinformation and ignore literal solutions for the sake of convincing someone to sign it.

Its sad to see the community just fall for the SaveTF2 trap expecting anything to change, and then they make a petition expecting it to be the thing that definitely saves them. Change.org petitions rarely do anything and this will never effect anything whatsoever.

Its also sad to see people drop actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ money on this petition. Even buying a tf2 hat is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ something, this is nothing. You are just wasting money on a thing that will never happen. The most this petition will ever do is make change.org 100 more dollars.

This was mostly sparked from the item servers, because god forbid you cant use your crutch weapons or show off your femboy uwu loadout for 2 days. If you buy an item or read the TOS, you would know that if you spend money, your items will disappear if valve feels like it because you technically dont own it. This was the thing that sparked a second save tf2, and all of the sudden the tweet they were happy with was all of the sudden the worst thing that ever happened.

It pains me to see them just constantly try an already proven useless solution, maybe try something new. Try spreading the word of community servers, maybe to a massive charity donation event the size of the og savetf2 (instead of dropping money on a useless petition drop money on people who need it), or maybe SOMETHING else. But no, they are already tricked into using this, and I wont be surprised if in 2 years, this resurfaces.

[King of Games]

Originally posted by rocketgreentea:

Unless you've been living under a rock, you've seen the new petition floating around the community. That's right, #saveTF2 is back and I doubt that this time you guys will even get a tweet. Anyway, out of curiosity I decided to check out the petition, and there are so many flaws in the description that I am baffled anyone signed it in the first place. Lets deconstruct this together.

Despite being 16+ years old, Team Fortress 2 is one of the most played and most beloved games of all time. However, despite its massive community and long-lasting impact on gaming, TF2 is in an unplayable state.

Starting off strong with a bunch of blatant misinformation here. TF2 is NOT one of the most played games of all time (beloved is also questionable). Despite popular belief, TF2 did not peak at 200,000 players like people have led you to believe, the information giving by steamcharts is not accurate, as it counts online players and not players in a server. Lastly, the only long-lasting impact this game had on gaming is introducing micro-transactions, so you can thank TF2 for the reason you have to pay for skins in every new game that releases.

The game is overrun with bots that instantly kill every player trying to play the game, spread hate speech, and use their power over the community for financial gain. We want to show Valve that there is no room in the community for the problematic individuals who host these bots, and This Petition is not a direct means of changing things, but a show of numbers for the number of people who want to take a stand against them.

While it is true that the game is overrun with bots, they are easily avoidable. Players can also kick them out easily. I'd say the cheater problem is worse than the bot problem as cheaters are harder to detect than the blatant spinbot sniper spamming voice lines and a noisemaker. Not to mention that community servers exist, if you really find kicking bots out of a lobby THAT terrible you can join one of the countless servers that have their own anticheat in place. Also, financial gain? Bot hosters don't get money for hosting bots, I have no idea where this point even came from? The only people who get financial gain from bots are TF2 YOUTUBERS as they profited heavily off of the original #saveTF2 movement, and are probably planning to again since you suckers love throwing them money.

Valve must do something, because these bots shouldn’t have a platform in a beloved and massive game like TF2. We're asking for an open dialogue between Valve and the community. We understand that Valve has other responsibilities, but they have a responsibility to take care of TF2. We ask for open communication from Valve and more clear indication of their plans for TF2.

Valve will not do anything, and that is a fact. This is a false hope operation and I don't know how people refuse to see this? The first time didn't work, so why would it work again? Especially with even less people backing it this time... You start another #saveTF2 because the item servers are down for a couple of days? What a joke. God forbid you lose your 5,000 dollar inventories for 2 days guys. Maybe enjoy the game the way it was intended to be played without all of the crutch unlocks? Valve does not do open dialogue, and they never will. It is also not their responsibility to take care of TF2, as the game is not in an "unplayable" state. Unplayable means that you are not able to play the game. I can boot up TF2 right now and get in a match. So no, TF2 is not "unplayable".

**please do not donate to promote this petition, simply share it with friends.

This part is the funniest to me, because the guy who posted this explicitly said not to donate. (Because it won't do anything) yet like the hive-mind the TF2 community is, they throw away their money on a useless petition that won't do anything anyway. Congratulations guys, you threw money at a stranger that doesn't even know what to do with it. You sure showed those bot hosters! Together we can #saveTF2!

TL:DR
This movement is a joke, the petition is flawed. Accept the fact that another major update will never come.

i aint reading allat. but im happy for you or sad that happened. which ever works best

[PastelCookie (She/Her)]

Originally posted by King of Games:

Originally posted by rocketgreentea:

Unless you've been living under a rock, you've seen the new petition floating around the community. That's right, #saveTF2 is back and I doubt that this time you guys will even get a tweet. Anyway, out of curiosity I decided to check out the petition, and there are so many flaws in the description that I am baffled anyone signed it in the first place. Lets deconstruct this together.

Despite being 16+ years old, Team Fortress 2 is one of the most played and most beloved games of all time. However, despite its massive community and long-lasting impact on gaming, TF2 is in an unplayable state.

Starting off strong with a bunch of blatant misinformation here. TF2 is NOT one of the most played games of all time (beloved is also questionable). Despite popular belief, TF2 did not peak at 200,000 players like people have led you to believe, the information giving by steamcharts is not accurate, as it counts online players and not players in a server. Lastly, the only long-lasting impact this game had on gaming is introducing micro-transactions, so you can thank TF2 for the reason you have to pay for skins in every new game that releases.

The game is overrun with bots that instantly kill every player trying to play the game, spread hate speech, and use their power over the community for financial gain. We want to show Valve that there is no room in the community for the problematic individuals who host these bots, and This Petition is not a direct means of changing things, but a show of numbers for the number of people who want to take a stand against them.

While it is true that the game is overrun with bots, they are easily avoidable. Players can also kick them out easily. I'd say the cheater problem is worse than the bot problem as cheaters are harder to detect than the blatant spinbot sniper spamming voice lines and a noisemaker. Not to mention that community servers exist, if you really find kicking bots out of a lobby THAT terrible you can join one of the countless servers that have their own anticheat in place. Also, financial gain? Bot hosters don't get money for hosting bots, I have no idea where this point even came from? The only people who get financial gain from bots are TF2 YOUTUBERS as they profited heavily off of the original #saveTF2 movement, and are probably planning to again since you suckers love throwing them money.

Valve must do something, because these bots shouldn’t have a platform in a beloved and massive game like TF2. We're asking for an open dialogue between Valve and the community. We understand that Valve has other responsibilities, but they have a responsibility to take care of TF2. We ask for open communication from Valve and more clear indication of their plans for TF2.

Valve will not do anything, and that is a fact. This is a false hope operation and I don't know how people refuse to see this? The first time didn't work, so why would it work again? Especially with even less people backing it this time... You start another #saveTF2 because the item servers are down for a couple of days? What a joke. God forbid you lose your 5,000 dollar inventories for 2 days guys. Maybe enjoy the game the way it was intended to be played without all of the crutch unlocks? Valve does not do open dialogue, and they never will. It is also not their responsibility to take care of TF2, as the game is not in an "unplayable" state. Unplayable means that you are not able to play the game. I can boot up TF2 right now and get in a match. So no, TF2 is not "unplayable".

**please do not donate to promote this petition, simply share it with friends.

This part is the funniest to me, because the guy who posted this explicitly said not to donate. (Because it won't do anything) yet like the hive-mind the TF2 community is, they throw away their money on a useless petition that won't do anything anyway. Congratulations guys, you threw money at a stranger that doesn't even know what to do with it. You sure showed those bot hosters! Together we can #saveTF2!

TL:DR
This movement is a joke, the petition is flawed. Accept the fact that another major update will never come.

i aint reading allat. but im happy for you or sad that happened. which ever works best

Yeah I didn't want to read it either but there is a TL:DR on the bottom! owo

[Avoca]

Please let TF2 die. TFC had to die, it's only fair.

[rocketgreentea]

Originally posted by Avoca:

Please let TF2 die. TFC had to die, it's only fair.

Valve won’t close a game that’s still making them money, unfortunately. Even in the state this game is in people can’t help spending money on it.

[green sheep]

Originally posted by padmé:

It makes me sad knowing so. I can rest with small community seasonal updates.

I would prefer them to handing the game off to a different company or VALVe suddenly showing major interest in the game again and releasing a bunch of updates made by new people who don't understand how the game works.

[rocketgreentea]

Originally posted by going mad:

Originally posted by padmé:

It makes me sad knowing so. I can rest with small community seasonal updates.

I would prefer them to handing the game off to a different company or VALVe suddenly showing major interest in the game again and releasing a bunch of updates made by new people who don't understand how the game works.

What company would handle TF2 properly?

[Blackstar]

I sometimes wonder what percentage of the remaining TF2 playerbase are actually children given how immature and delusional this community is when it comes to everything surrounding TF2.

The only thing that the second #SaveTF2 will accomplish is giving a boost to the careers of scummy TF2bers and other mainstream youtubers that talk about this joke of a movement and just like the first #SaveTF2 all Valve will need to do to shut down everything is release a stupid meme cosmetic/map like the summer seal and everything will die out as quickly as it started.

[Quizzy2816]

the more I read these forms, the more depressing it is

have mercy jesus christ

[Homewrecker Hobo]

I wonder what happens if valve ignores savetf2 this time.

Will the community wake up?
Or will they implode themselves?

[Luigi]

Originally posted by Blackstar:

I sometimes wonder what percentage of the remaining TF2 playerbase are actually children given how immature and delusional this community is when it comes to everything surrounding TF2.

The only thing that the second #SaveTF2 will accomplish is giving a boost to the careers of scummy TF2bers and other mainstream youtubers that talk about this joke of a movement and just like the first #SaveTF2 all Valve will need to do to shut down everything is release a stupid meme cosmetic/map like the summer seal and everything will die out as quickly as it started.

Children, people with ADHD, and other groups like manchildren are easy to manipulate. If you are a YouTuber with people subbed to you, you can rally them and manipulate them into thinking they can make a massive difference in their favorite game. They want their army to spread and shove tf2 down the faces of other people to promote the general careers of their favorite YouTubers. You see this happening the most because a lot of people in tf2 have issues and tf2 YouTubers take advantage of that and are able to convince them easier.

This is why they get mad when other people oppose YouTuber opinions because in their minds the YouTuber is a God amount men and going against his opinion is bad.

[rocketgreentea]

Originally posted by Quizzy2816:

the more I read these forms, the more depressing it is

have mercy jesus christ

Would you care to point out where I’m wrong?

[Cat_Soldier]

Originally posted by rocketgreentea:

Originally posted by Quizzy2816:

the more I read these forms, the more depressing it is

have mercy jesus christ

Would you care to point out where I’m wrong?

Grrr you aren’t being wholesome chungus!! You are being realistic about the games state instead of making 100 bot threads!!!