The Great Debate: Sentry vs Mini Sentry

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

i know most of you complained about both but which one should really be considered more of a threat. I have compiled a list of well known characteristics and playstyles of both sentry guns and pieced it together convininently in this post.

lets look at the stats for each

mini sentry
pros
+encourages engineers to be more active offensively
+can build super fast
+less metal to build
+easier to hide
+gives you an added 25 additional health which sometimes comes in handy
+smaller hitbox
+people tend to deal with these sentries less than their other counterparts (if there is two people will usually deal with the big one first then the mini)
+locks onto enemies faster than the other sentry counterpart
+can be moved easier or just destroyed and rebuild good as new
+no extra damage from crits

cons
-less firepower
-less knockback
-cannot be repaired/lvl'd up, only ammo refilled
-only one wrench can be used for it so you have to deal with the limited assortment of options (only the gunslinger)


regular sentry
pros
+can be repaired
+can deal more damage
+can be lvl'd up
+more knockback from rockets and bullets
+various wrenches each with a different thing for the sentry or engineer (bleed damage, faster build/lvl up, teleport back to get more metal)
+no extra damage from crits

cons
-larger hitbox than a heavy
-spies and teammates usually deal with them first than other buildings/mini sentries
-can be used against you more (bonk scout circling around and hides behind you, same but with other enemies, or a spy can just uncloak and kill you along with him)
-longer time to build even with wrenches and engies to help you
-to move takes time to setup again (build up time)
-takes longer to lock onto enemies than the mini sentry

playstyles for each:

mini sentry
usually used more for offensive/support rather than defense due to it's small size, hideability and spammability of it.
It only requires 100 metal so the engineer can pretty much make 2 per full metal reserve. It is usually a set it and forget it weapon, meaning you can set it down somewhere the enemy can't see while you build your other buildings/help other engies build/lvl up theirs as well. They also make a good alarm system seeing as how spies and most enemies take them out fairly easily and can alert you of an incoming attack (hence the support part).
They can easily take down snipers, uncloaked spies, scouts, medics, and pyros rather well at a distance but for the larger more equiped classes such as demomen, demoknights, soldiers, and heavies usually can damage them before they realize where the damage is coming from and take it out.

sentry
the default sentry of engineers. It is used more for defense/area denial rather than offense/support. It can be used with various wrenches each with different attributes. It makes a perfect weapon for area denial/defense considering how it can hold off an attack, can tank more damage than the mini sentry, even more if wrangled. It takes out any class that is unfortunate enough to be in its range, although it usually is prone to faraway shots such as sniper bullets or rockets, and is usually the prime target for most classes especially spy.
It takes time to build though, a major drawback, and although has more health, needs to be constantly kept an eye on/repaired unless you want to start over from a lvl 1 sentry gun. Thus it requires more attention than the mini sentry as well as takes attention away from your other buildings. It can be used to keep enemies at bay, either on defense or offense (area denial)
Also, unlike mini sentries, sentries can be wrangled to reach spots that may take time to get to, such as a large flight of stairs, or can help reach hard to reach areas such as secret buildings spots or areas that only open to the opposing team once they push foward

how the community deals with it:

mini sentry
although easy to deal with most people do not see it as a threat and will infact leave it alone for the next guy to handle it. Those competent enough to deal with it take it out easily as much/as simple as 1 direct hit rocket or about 10 medic syringe needles from his syringe gun

sentry
most people know the drill and know that they, nor their team cannot proceed unless they deal with that sentry first. Most people will try to take it out at the 1 death, max 3rd death from it.

based on this i think the results are tied
mostly because people disregard the mini and later it becomes a threat without knowing it
and
sentry because of it's large amount of combinations in terms of wrenches, guns, and uses

the rest i leave up to you the community to decide which we should be more concerned about

[FloodFetter]

Keep that mini off my MvM server please.

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Originally posted by FloodFetter:

Keep that mini off my MvM server please.

[The Ham Wizard]

sentry is best used in cp, ad, ctf and mvm, best for defense, whereas the mini is suited for doomsday, ctf, and koth maps, and is best used for offense engies or as a distraction to keep enemies from finding the teleporters and dispensers.

as an engie main tho, id have to go with the sentry gun, its so versatile it can be used on both offense and defense by a good engineer, whereas the mini is only good on defense of you have a level 3 sentry to fall bask apon.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Originally posted by FloodFetter:

Keep that mini off my MvM server please.

i forgot to add that but yesh sentries are better in mvm

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Originally posted by Ham Wizard:

sentry is best used in cp, ad, ctf and mvm, best for defense, whereas the mini is suited for doomsday, ctf, and koth maps, and is best used for offense engies or as a distraction to keep enemies from finding the teleporters and dispensers.

as an engie main tho, id have to go with the sentry gun, its so versatile it can be used on both offense and defense by a good engineer, whereas the mini is only good on defense of you have a level 3 sentry to fall bask apon.

i know i engy main too
still, aside from mvm most pub matches have terrible teammates that usually never help you/defend you or at least your sentry so minis are better for their faster deploy time and set it and forget it playstyle

[The Ham Wizard]

Originally posted by newturtlebread3 senpai:

Originally posted by Ham Wizard:

sentry is best used in cp, ad, ctf and mvm, best for defense, whereas the mini is suited for doomsday, ctf, and koth maps, and is best used for offense engies or as a distraction to keep enemies from finding the teleporters and dispensers.

as an engie main tho, id have to go with the sentry gun, its so versatile it can be used on both offense and defense by a good engineer, whereas the mini is only good on defense of you have a level 3 sentry to fall bask apon.

i know i engy main too
still, aside from mvm most pub matches have terrible teammates that usually never help you/defend you or at least your sentry so minis are better for their faster deploy time and set it and forget it playstyle

my trick is that my friends and i try to get on the same team, i go engie with wrangler, by friend goes engie with gunslinger and the third one goes pyro, i wrangle, he sets up mini and repairs my sentry and the pyro spychecks

[レミにゃん]

Originally posted by Ham Wizard:

my trick is that my friends and i try to get on the same team, i go engie with wrangler, by friend goes engie with gunslinger and the third one goes pyro, i wrangle, he sets up mini and repairs my sentry and the pyro spychecks

Also known as "The Opposing Team Has Left The Server (disconnect by user(s))"

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Originally posted by Luihutin:

Originally posted by Ham Wizard:

my trick is that my friends and i try to get on the same team, i go engie with wrangler, by friend goes engie with gunslinger and the third one goes pyro, i wrangle, he sets up mini and repairs my sentry and the pyro spychecks :D:

Also known as "The Opposing Team Has Left The Server (disconnect by user(s))"

lol

[Snoopster91]

Originally posted by Sir Dan The Skeleton Man:

Originally posted by Luihutin:

Also known as "The Opposing Team Has Left The Server (disconnect by user(s))"

lol

Well lol on you,coz ya banned,enjoy your VACation

[レミにゃん]

Originally posted by SNOOP doge:

Well lol on you,coz ya banned,enjoy your VACation

1. you just necro'd a 2.5-year-old post to laugh at someone forum-banned
2. forum ban has nothing to do with getting VAC-banned (which he isn't)

That's just sad.

[Snoopster91]

Originally posted by Luihutin:

Originally posted by SNOOP doge:

Well lol on you,coz ya banned,enjoy your VACation

1. you just necro'd a 2.5-year-old post to laugh at someone forum-banned
2. forum ban has nothing to do with getting VAC-banned (which he isn't)

That's just sad.

Welp ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 

[Snoopster91]

Just wanted to bring back a dead discussion alive

[Snoopster91]

Plus i didmt notice he was just "forum banned"

[Emurinus]

Originally posted by SNOOP doge:

Just wanted to bring back a dead discussion alive

And nobody wanted it brought back.

[No Time to Explain]

Comparing these are like like comparing. 2 things that are alike and both nothing alike. i.e apples and oranges, tf2 and the game that triggers everyone.