Spy Weapon Tier List

[fakeloo]

Post an argument in the comments if you disagree with something.

Disclaimer: This is irrelevant to MvM.

Disclaimer 2: The weapon's placement within a rank doesn't matter. If they were different enough in viability they'd be in a different rank anyways.

Revolvers

S
Ambassador
Enforcer

A
L'etranger
Diamondback
Revolver

Knives

S
Spycicle
Knife

A
Conniver's Kunai

B
Big Earner

C
Your Eternal Reward

Watches

S
Dead Ringer

A
Cloak and Dagger
Invis Watch

Sappers

Annoying Garbdix (To clarify, this is S)
Red Tape Recorder

A
Sapper

[aub]

Can we stop this crap? How can you possibly sort sidegrades into tiers? And why?

[Nostril]

Revolver > Enforcer.
Same DPS, revolver has crits (which you will get a lot of due to backstabs)

Big earner should be lower than YER methinks.

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oh let me guess,
Sniper tier thread
please gaben bring us a cure to this cancer.
also, big earner above YER and kunai below all else. just because you ♥♥♥♥ at a weapon dosen't mean it's bad.

[Nostril]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Binky:

Can we stop this crap? How can you possibly sort sidegrades into tiers? And why?

you cannot stop the trend.

And some weapons are downright OP while others ♥♥♥♥ in all ways.

[Avis]

1. A
2. A
3. S
4. A

[Nostril]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Not a class:

1. A
2. A
3. S
4. A

I don't speak numbers, could you clarify?

[fakeloo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Binky:

Can we stop this crap? How can you possibly sort sidegrades into tiers? And why?

Diposting pertama kali oleh I challenge you to a duel.:

oh let me guess,
Sniper tier thread
please gaben bring us a cure to this cancer

Would you rather go back to the "PYRO IS OP PLZ NURF" threads? Or how about Overwatch! Everyone loves that game!

Besides, at most there are going to be 9 threads barring the old thread about putting the classes themselves into tiers. Y'all are jumping the gun on calling this cancer.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Bangiras:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Binky:

Can we stop this crap? How can you possibly sort sidegrades into tiers? And why?

Diposting pertama kali oleh I challenge you to a duel.:

oh let me guess,
Sniper tier thread
please gaben bring us a cure to this cancer

Would you rather go back to the "PYRO IS OP PLZ NURF" threads? Or how about Overwatch! Everyone loves that game!

Besides, at most there are going to be 9 threads barring the old thread about putting the classes themselves into tiers. Y'all are jumping the gun on calling this cancer.

Nine threads?
You know there's gonna be someone stupid enough to repost.
There always is.
ALWAYS

[Captain Demozan]

L'etranger, Sapper, Cloak and Dagger and stock. So I'm a full A-rank spy.
Also, why is Big Earner in B rank? That knife is garbage.

[fakeloo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh FloomRide:

Revolver > Enforcer.
Same DPS, revolver has crits (which you will get a lot of due to backstabs)

Big earner should be lower than YER methinks.

Enforcer has better DPS iirc, but assuming they are the same the enforcer has better burst damage and does better if you're taking time between shots. Crits are a bit of a shaky argument considering that it's RNG dependent.

YER's downside is pretty significant for a benefit that, all things considered, is somewhat nullified by team communication. Big Earner doesn't have as big of a drawback and has a benefit that is (imo) more practical.

[McKnuckles]

I wouldn't say the ambassador is a S rank revolver if only because everyone just uses it to gunslinger with the spy while using the Dead Ringer (I haven't seen on person use it with one of the regular invisi watches yet).

The diamondback though I would increase its rank up to S. That is if you are good at acting like a spy and backstabbing/sapping buildings.

I would say Your Eternal Reward is one rank lower than the kunai, mainly due to it taking away your disguise kit. This pretty much means that unless you can find someone either horrible or not paying attention, you will be spending more time trying to get a disguise to start acting like a spy. While with the kunai you may have low health but you gain overheal on each backstab (to a limit though), which makes it a high stakes and reward type of knife (the free heal per backstab is nice too).

Watch wise I would say Dead Ringer shouldn't even be on the list due to it basically rewarding people for playing spy incorrectly.

[SgtEmissary [Kane's Will]]

Kunai is a C tier knife? It should at the most be a tier B knife with how it gives you an overheal and removes all negative status effects (such as afterburn) upon a successful backstab.

[Passion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SgtEmissary the Tauntaun:

Kunai is a C tier knife? It should at the most be a tier B knife with how it gives you an overheal and removes all negative status effects (such as afterburn) upon a successful backstab.

also yer is very gud, big earner is CRAP!!

[fakeloo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh McKnuckles:

I wouldn't say the ambassador is a S rank revolver if only because everyone just uses it to gunslinger with the spy while using the Dead Ringer (I haven't seen on person use it with one of the regular invisi watches yet).

The diamondback though I would increase its rank up to S. That is if you are good at acting like a spy and backstabbing/sapping buildings.

I would say Your Eternal Reward is one rank lower than the kunai, mainly due to it taking away your disguise kit. This pretty much means that unless you can find someone either horrible or not paying attention, you will be spending more time trying to get a disguise to start acting like a spy. While with the kunai you may have low health but you gain overheal on each backstab (to a limit though), which makes it a high stakes and reward type of knife (the free heal per backstab is nice too).

Watch wise I would say Dead Ringer shouldn't even be on the list due to it basically rewarding people for playing spy incorrectly.

How most people use it is irrelevant; If everyone W+M1ed with the Degreaser, that doesn't make the Degreaser bad, just the player. It's incredibly strong if you can get headshots and is very versatile in its use.

Diamondback is good but its somewhat reliant on how good the other team is; Assuming you're going against a good team, you won't be getting many stabs/saps so it leaves you vulnerable inbetween stabs. Good, but has matchup-dependent flaws.

Agreeing with the YER drop.

If it exists it's on the list, I hate the Baby Face's Blaster because it's a crutch for badscouts but it exists and it is good so it must be ranked. DR stays on the list.

Diposting pertama kali oleh SgtEmissary the Tauntaun:

Kunai is a C tier knife? It should at the most be a tier B knife with how it gives you an overheal and removes all negative status effects (such as afterburn) upon a successful backstab.

Such low health between stabs though, makes it inconsistent so it should stay C.

[Dustman121]

Pffft, Cloak and dagger as A? That things barely more than a crutch for new players. And I know because I used it as a crutch while I was a new player! The thing is pointless to use when you have a good handle on the Invis Watch. Just learn where the ammo packs on the map are and when to go for fallen weapons and you're good on your cloak.