"Sydney Sleeper is good for supporting your team!"

[JC D]

I just don't understand why people think that. Surely quickscoping a Medic and dropping his uber is better than Jarating a Heavy who will soon be Ubered anyway, right?

And if you need minicrits, well, there's a secondary for that. Which also happens to be an awesome anti-spy grenade.

[JC D]

Originally posted by 醫生 ThunderKeil 沒有:

It's sort of a counter to the dead ringer.

I guess that was worth mentioning.

Hmm. Yeah, that's true, but Jarate can do the same thing and lets you use a primary that doesn't suck.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Not everyone can headshot reliably, and besides, Sydney Sleeper is great for taking out enemy Snipers.
Also, you can still one-shot a Medic with the Sleeper, you just have to wait a couple seconds for it to charge up.

[Coffinmaw]

Originally posted by Lumpytusk:

I just don't understand why people think that. Surely quickscoping a Medic and dropping his uber is better than Jarating a Heavy who will soon be Ubered anyway, right?

And if you need minicrits, well, there's a secondary for that. Which also happens to be an awesome anti-spy grenade.

The sleeper is useful for new players who can't headshot.

[Merkyyop]

Its a team based weapon
And it is Team Fortress 2
Honestly even without the headshots I still aim for the head.
Which would you prefer a Machina or sleeper?

[òwó]

Ok, I use the Sydney Sleeper (Strange btw)
But before everyone says "GAH WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU" let me explain
With the Sydney Sleeper, you can (obviously) cover all classes with 25 shots of jarate if you wait the time for each.
It also has the damage of a stock fully charged body shot if you fully charge the shot
Meaning, even without fully charging the shot, you can cover them.
Covering them does mini crits
So really, if they're a class other than heavy and you charge your shots, you can probably kill whoever your trying to kill in 2 shots.
1 for the cover and damage, the other for the mini crit and damage (yet again)

So, to counter-oppose my argument about heavy being pretty much immune to Sydney Sleeper because of his health (following my reasoning of the Sydney Sleeper being OP), fully charging the shots you can take a non-overhealed heavy in 4 shots.

Taking that he is (in most cases) damaged first, probably 2 shots to kill.

Yeah, I think the Sydney is great, especially with the melee weapon for sniper that does crits when mini-crits (when the enemy is covered in Jarate *hint hint*), as well as with the Darwins Danger Shield, your kind of a force to be reckoned with.

Except for when you get killed by a scout.
Because your a sniper.

Basically saying, just keep your distance and stay safe and you'll be good.

[Ellipses Have Three Periods.]

Originally posted by Bishop the White:

Sydney Sleeper is great for taking out enemy Snipers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-CqFh7xvDQ

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Originally posted by 醫生 ThunderKeil 沒有:

how the hell is the sleeper a better sniper counter than any other sniper primary

plus if you can't headshot you shouldn't be playing sniper, using the sleeper even devoids you from learning to

Because it charges more quickly.

No offense, but you haven't even been playing the game for 1000 hours yet, so you really shouldn't be making such bold statements about weapons. Especially not Sniper when you haven't even been playing the class for 24 hours yet.
Also, I'm going to assume that you're playing on pubs, so optimal loadouts don't matter as much and players have much more leeway.

Besides, I'll take a Sydney Sleeper Sniper who can actually hit with the thing over the legions of Snipers who simply cannot headshot yet still try fruitlessly to do so all match long and accomplish nothing.

[òwó]

Originally posted by Bishop the White:

Originally posted by 醫生 ThunderKeil 沒有:

how the hell is the sleeper a better sniper counter than any other sniper primary

plus if you can't headshot you shouldn't be playing sniper, using the sleeper even devoids you from learning to

Because it charges more quickly.

No offense, but you haven't even been playing the game for 1000 hours yet, so you really shouldn't be making such bold statements about weapons. Especially not Sniper when you haven't even been playing the class for 24 hours yet.
Also, I'm going to assume that you're playing on pubs, so optimal loadouts don't matter as much and players have much more leeway.

Besides, I'll take a Sydney Sleeper Sniper who can actually hit with the thing over the legions of Snipers who simply cannot headshot yet still try fruitlessly to do so all match long and accomplish nothing.

Do I count I have like 570 hours :3

[Ellipses Have Three Periods.]

Originally posted by Bishop the White:

No offense, but you haven't even been playing the game for 1000 hours yet, so you really shouldn't be making such bold statements about weapons. Especially not Sniper when you haven't even been playing the class for 24 hours yet.
Also, I'm going to assume that you're playing on pubs, so optimal loadouts don't matter as much and players have much more leeway.

I'm a Sniper main with 1,500+ hours of playtime who plays comp, and I fully agree with his statements regarding the Sydney Sleeper.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Originally posted by Ellipses Have Three Periods.:

Originally posted by Bishop the White:

No offense, but you haven't even been playing the game for 1000 hours yet, so you really shouldn't be making such bold statements about weapons. Especially not Sniper when you haven't even been playing the class for 24 hours yet.
Also, I'm going to assume that you're playing on pubs, so optimal loadouts don't matter as much and players have much more leeway.

I'm a Sniper main with 1,500+ hours of playtime who plays comp, and I fully agree with his statements regarding the Sydney Sleeper.

No offense, but anyone can make their profile private and claim to have as many hours as they want in whatever class they want.

Not that I necessarily don't believe you, just sayin'.

Also, Comp TF2 is a very different animal from standard TF2.

[The Ham Wizard]

It can be considered ok imo as you can jarate enemies from a distance

also it "pisses" people off when you kill them with it, the joke alone is worth it for me :)

[kkertas]

I have to agree, in a serious match the ss is not suited to use.
For fun? yeah. I like to play different playstyle and making people piss off, literally

the ss needs to be able to extinguish fire from teammates c'mon valve

[Scrublord]

I agree 100%.

My reasoning for why the SS is bad:
It has a much harder time killing. You still can, but its much harder. Now before you say "Its job is to support w/ Jarate not kill" I would rather have the enemy be dead then have Jarate on his sorry ass.

Example:
Enemy Medic is crossing the bridge on 2Fort with an Uber and a Heavy. WHAT DO YOU DO?
Regular Sniper pops his head like a cherry and then proceeds to get one more 150 headshot on the Heavy as he goes into your base hurt as hell.
SS Sniper aims, charges for a few seconds and then hits the Medic, possibly not even killing him but leaving him covered in pee. Medic is now free to pop Uber and survives.

That might just be me, though.

[3DT | AManWithABadFren[CH]Accent]

people get this. normal sniper is superior if ur a amazing at headshots. sydney is more of a ill hit him hard make him weak and just let my friend do the rest also by shooting multiple enemies super quick u may not get headshots but u can allow ur team to get a strong advantage against them since they r all under jarate

[The Inspektør]

Sydney Sleeper may be hated by some, but I love mine. If I can't get kills, then at the very least they're coated in Jarate for my teammates to finish off. (Medics b4 anyone else)

http://steamcommunity.com/id/TheInspektor/inventory/#440_2_3466268229