Is the base jumper a crutch trolldier weapon, Yey or Ney?

[All talk and no fight]

Heres a good discussion for the TF2 discussion forums, something i would like to hear more about from all the rocket jumping pros.

Do you think the base jumper is a crutch for bad trolldiers?
I dont think so at all. Jumping around with the purpose of hitting people from above with a shovel is difficult enough, why gimp yourself by not choosing a weapon that can prevent fall damage, allow quick movement on the ground, extend the window of opportunity for hitting someone with your market gardener.
Another bonus: the base jumper lets you shovel enemies from places you normally couldnt get to, like the corridor leading up to the top of the hightower
There really is no alternative, the only two if you are jumping around trying to hit people with your shovel is the reserve shooter (to ward off other trolldiers) and the mantreads( incredibly difficult, will only usually kill classes that are already hurt.
Until the mantreads gets the buff of no fall damage at any time it deserves, the base jumper is your best option, and just because some people dont shovel well without one doesnt mean it is a crutch.

Also, if youd like to discuss it with other rocket launchers, go ahead. its silly to use it without a rocket jumper or airstrike.

[Gtking616]

Get better and market garden like you're supposed to.

[All talk and no fight]

Originally posted by Gtking616:

Get better and market garden like you're supposed to.

Yes, let me not use the basejumper so i can get less kills and take tons of fall damage. Brilliant idea.

[reg]

Church weapons?

[jua]

Eh, it's just a waste of a weapon slot, like the Rocket Jumper but slightly less useless.

[juicy]

The base jumper is a gimmick more than a crutch. If you use it wrong, you'll be an extremely easy target and die in seconds anyways. If you use it right (In star_'s base jumper video), it merely helps lower the amount of mistakes that can just happen randomly when you're trying to market garden people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-i1RnFs6V0

[All talk and no fight]

Originally posted by Milkman:

Church weapons?

Church weapons? i didnt say that anywhere in my OP did i?

[Ravenant]

Market Gardener-focused loadouts are joke playstyles anyway, so in the long run, I don't think it matters much.

If anything, I actually think it can help people in a pinch and may be able to help them Market Garden better without it later on. It remains useful for preventing fall damage though.

[trash]

of course
it's literally training wheels

Originally posted by All talk and no fight:

and just because some people dont shovel well without one doesnt mean it is a crutch.

Originally posted by slop:

it's literally training wheels

[All talk and no fight]

Originally posted by ツJuiceツ:

The base jumper is a gimmick more than a crutch. If you use it wrong, you'll be an extremely easy target and die in seconds anyways. If you use it right (In star_'s base jumper video), it merely helps lower the amount of mistakes that can just happen randomly when you're trying to market garden people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-i1RnFs6V0

I dont think it merely lowers the amount of mistakes, it also staves off fall damage, lets you get to places you couldnt go before (brought up in the video) and lets you be much more consistent with your critical hits.

[jua]

Originally posted by Milkman:

Church weapons?

Holy weapons. Those came out at the God Blessed update in the Holy Cases. You need the God Blessed Pilgrimage Pass to embark on Pilgrimages to earn them.

[All talk and no fight]

Originally posted by slop:

of course
it's literally training wheels

Originally posted by All talk and no fight:

and just because some people dont shovel well without one doesnt mean it is a crutch.

Originally posted by slop:

it's literally training wheels

No, no it isnt.
Some people dont do well without it, just because SOME dont do well without it doesnt make it a training wheel.
Reread the OP. remember reading that? the no fall damage and what not?

[All talk and no fight]

Originally posted by Black Market Healer:

Originally posted by Milkman:

Church weapons?

Holy weapons. Those came out at the God Blessed update in the Holy Cases. You need the God Blessed Pilgrimage Pass to embark on Pilgrimages to earn them.

New campaign lol, need a pilgrim pass.

[All talk and no fight]

Originally posted by Ravenant:

Market Gardener-focused loadouts are joke playstyles anyway, so in the long run, I don't think it matters much.

If anything, I actually think it can help people in a pinch and may be able to help them Market Garden better without it later on. It remains useful for preventing fall damage though.

Of course they are more of joke loadouts, but i made this discussion to hear from the trolldiers reasons for not using it.

[reg]

Should be church weapons.