5 reasons why I think the enforcer should get its stats back

[Migel]

In case you don't know what I am talking about - in the Gun Mettle update, the enforcer was nerfed. Before it dealt +20% damage when not disguised. Since the Update, it deals +20% while disguised, meaning you can only place one shot and are pretty much dead after that.

This is, of course my opinion, please tell me what you think about the enforcer nerf in the discussion.

1 - Spy could be useful at the frontline.

Now, the frontline is obviously not a place the spy should be. But sometimes you just get in bad situations, getting too close to the front. Using the enforcer can make the spy valuable at medium range, he deals a lot of accurate damage.

2 - More new spies to get spy mains

The biggest problem for new players is dying. du'uh.
Spy is a very unique class and needs unique techniques. The change - or beginning - as a spy would be easier if you can ease into it by methods you know - shooting people...
It is nice to get used to it before moving on to advanced weapons, L 'Etranger, Ambassador...

3 - Enforcer saves lifes!

Well, this one is personal and probably because im a noob with only 12 hours spy on record.
But a powerful weapon for close quarters is exactly what i need. One word: Pyro.
(Dont quote me on this) I think the pyro got a small speed buff in gun mettle.
If i am set aflame as spy ('it appears i have burst into flames', still one of the best lines in TF2!!)
I am pretty much dead, The pyro can now see me and will chase me down as long as I am burning. Getting close enough for a trickstab is hard, though not impossible, but the revolver is no option on a full health Pyro when you only have seconds to live.

4 - The Enforcer is scrap metal.

Well, again, personal opinion - but why would I use the enforcer if I focus on dealing as much damage as possible while disguised?
The Ambassador is way better for this example.
It makes the Enforcer useless for (not only) me, and I see really few people using this revolver after the update.

5 - WARNING - WEAK ARGUMENT INCOMING Who said it's OP?

Thats pretty much it. I dont think it was worth nerfing because it is a weapon often used by beginners, and makes the spy using it very vulnerable.


So, those were my reasons. Do you think like I do, do you not? Why?

One last thing:
I have a new stat idea for the Enforcer, of course valve doesnt give a damn, but it seems like a solution.

-Old Enforcer stats
+ the weapon is weaker at range, so it deals much less damage, but a good weapon in CQC.

Another solution:
git gud.

Happy discussing everybody!!

[Candyman the Apathetic]

Those reasons are unacceptable you can kill a pyro just fine with a normal revolver.

[Buddy]

1 - Spy could be useful at the frontline.

NOPE - spy supossed to be in enemy backlines - for obvious reasons

2 - More new spies to get spy mains

NOPE. Most new f2p pick either sniper or spy - and refuse class even if there is liek 5 of those

3 - Enforcer saves lifes!

NOPE. Enforcer got bonus dmg for nothing. Common sense saves lives!

4 - The Enforcer is scrap metal.

YES? enforces was op in past, but now is scrap - this weapon need solid rework

5 - WARNING - WEAK ARGUMENT INCOMING Who said it's OP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c
git gud.

[Migel]

I personally have massive problems with insane gibus pyros just w+m1-ing me down... a revolver is often not good enough to save me.
Dont get me wrong, It is mostly possible to avoid them, or use the deadringer and spycicle.
But that loadout is really not my style, I dont want to get used to features that will most likely be changed in the next patch, so i like to stick with stock loadouts. So I cant do anything against pyros.

[rogan]

All of yours reasons are exactly why it was unbalanced and needed a nerf. It was a straight upgrade thanks to the fire rate increasing acciracy with more damage on top, now it has its own use aside from being overpowered.

[Migel]

Originally posted by Kovalsky:

NOPE. Most new f2p pick either sniper or spy - and refuse class even if there is liek 5 of those

Oooor... pyro.

Okay, so now I know the nerf was needed.
Still, can you give me some tips for anti - pyro tactics?
Thanks for the comments btw, and please dont hate around, try to be constructive! XD

[JC D]

Originally posted by Migel, murder, sloth.:

Originally posted by Kovalsky:

NOPE. Most new f2p pick either sniper or spy - and refuse class even if there is liek 5 of those

Oooor... pyro.

Okay, so now I know the nerf was needed.
Still, can you give me some tips for anti - pyro tactics?
Thanks for the comments btw, and please dont hate around, try to be constructive! XD

Revolver + M1

Same as Enforcer but you shoot and thus kill faster. Easy.

[fnu#]

a spy weapon discouraging stealth in favor of direct combat is a nightmare in terms of skill-indexing, badly designed on a conceptional level, and should never be added to the game.

all of which incidentally are qualities that perfectly describe the old enforcer.

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

[Casual Clown]

“git gud”
Is that a Hollow Knight reference?
Also I agree.

[Sinister80s]

Originally posted by Horny Police:

“git gud”
Is that a Hollow Knight reference?
Also I agree.

why did you necro this ancient post.

[Casual Clown]

Originally posted by SinisterPiggy:

Originally posted by Horny Police:

“git gud”
Is that a Hollow Knight reference?
Also I agree.

why did you necro this ancient post.

I love doing this.

[Orange Drink]

lol

[Cat_Soldier]

Originally posted by enforcer:

lol

After 6 years of hiding, we found him… the enforcer

[I Have Schizophrenia]

how to deal max damage to pyro
1.equip enforcer/stock
2.use DR and spy-cicle
3.disguies as enemy(what ever you like)
4.shoot the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ single celled class
5.if you get close swap tp spy cicle
enforcer is good to deal first damage
-no random crits

[Sandvich Enjoyer]

Originally posted by When that crit comes in:

how to deal max damage to pyro
1.equip enforcer/stock
2.use DR and spy-cicle
3.disguies as enemy(what ever you like)
4.shoot the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ single celled class
5.if you get close swap tp spy cicle
enforcer is good to deal first damage
-no random crits

Bro, this thread was necroed, now even twice