Why TF2 is Going to Outrun Overwatch.

[The Incredible World of Dic]

Tf2 is quite the miracle of gaming. Why so? Because of the perfected and balanced core gameplay, the ridiculously huge skill ceiling, and the amazing and lovable characters. The problem is Overwatch doesnt quite meet any of these. The competitive community wont jump into overwatch in its current state. There are far too many balancing issues, however its still beta, so we still have to wait on this one. However with Tf2 having such a balanced gameplay, The competitive games strive, highlander, 6v6s, ect. Unless this game gets completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥, its gonna be around for a long time.

Now look at the skill ceiling! Im considered inexperienced, and I have over 600 dang hours in the game tf2. Most experienced players have atleast 1000 ingame hours, if not years ;). Overwatch cuts this out however. Rocket jumping takes arleast days or weeks to perfect if not much more, Overwatch replaces it with a one button mechanic that you can perfect within the first hour easily. Headshots, a complete precission and reflex master can preform a quick finish up, widowmaker can clear out enemies with ease no matter where she shoots. Reflects, backstabs, ect. dont even make an appearence in overwatch.

Now with the characters, seems like tracer is getting alot of love, but her best quotes are "ello luv" and "calvalry's ere!". Then you take a look back at tf2, just go search up tf2 insult sounds to hear some good lines. Like here are just a couple of scouts lines, a class similar to tracer; scout says this to demo "Depth perception pal, look into it", scout says this to heavy "400,000$ to fire that gun uh? yah money well spent, dem 200$ bullets arent so hot when they dont HIT nothing are they?", scout says this to pyro "repeat after me: mmmhm mhmh mhmh IM DEAD!" Like you can literally entertain yourself, by just listening to player lines. I didnt even get to half of scouts, much less the entire game. The reality is the characters in tf2 are more clever, well developped, and lovable. With tracer, her most famous quotes is just a brittish way of saying hi, and a reference to british history that comes out of nowhere. Tf2 charm is not going to be surpassed. You look at overwatch's cinematic trailer, its cool, you look at tf2 meet the trailers, its an amazing piece of comedy that you want to come back to.

In the end Overwatch looks like an amazing game, that will burn out fast, partially due to its hype, and also due to what its lacking, that long lasting games tend to have. Overwatch will be treated simularly to titanfall. Day of release everyone is screaming a bout it, then a week later they forget it even existed.

[Reality]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jnaejnae:

Id just like to say why I still think tf2 will be played longer. Looking back at every game Ive really sticked with, are games with customization, community creations, and community cooperation in the changes. TF2 has all of this, thousands of cosmetics, plenty of amazing custom maps, skins, weapon models. And half of the updates this year have been focused on establishing community created items into the game.

Overwatch isnt showing signs really of any of these. To be fair tf2 didnt have all of this at launch either, but community and custimizability are things that I know as a gamer keep me intersted, as im trying to make my first map, and ive posted my first skin. It gives me creative freedom that I dont see overwatch doing. All those crazy modes like times 10, randomizer, both, and mege. All of those wouldnt exist without the community, and If overwatch doesnt get the community this involved I see it dying fast. I mean my other favorite games: Skyrim, Spore, and Minecraft. Al of then have a massive amount of player input and change, skyrim with invinite modding abilities, spore with a whole galaxy to run, and minecraft, where you can really change ANYTHING.

Does that make M.U.G.E.N. a better fighting game than Street Fighter and Marvel versus Capcom?

[The Incredible World of Dic]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Reality:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jnaejnae:

Id just like to say why I still think tf2 will be played longer. Looking back at every game Ive really sticked with, are games with customization, community creations, and community cooperation in the changes. TF2 has all of this, thousands of cosmetics, plenty of amazing custom maps, skins, weapon models. And half of the updates this year have been focused on establishing community created items into the game.

Overwatch isnt showing signs really of any of these. To be fair tf2 didnt have all of this at launch either, but community and custimizability are things that I know as a gamer keep me intersted, as im trying to make my first map, and ive posted my first skin. It gives me creative freedom that I dont see overwatch doing. All those crazy modes like times 10, randomizer, both, and mege. All of those wouldnt exist without the community, and If overwatch doesnt get the community this involved I see it dying fast. I mean my other favorite games: Skyrim, Spore, and Minecraft. Al of then have a massive amount of player input and change, skyrim with invinite modding abilities, spore with a whole galaxy to run, and minecraft, where you can really change ANYTHING.

Does that make M.U.G.E.N. a better fighting game than Street Fighter and Marvel versus Capcom?

No I didnt say it makes it any more of a "better" game. However most of the games that last so long, like tf2, skyrim, and minecraft, is due to lack of community assistance. That is the case with titanfall, overwatch, destiny, crysis ect. So many great games HAVE died, Im just telling you why the games that live longest do. Crysis 2 was my introduction to the genre and an amazing shooter game for its time. It had no community involved or custimizing their game, they just had the game. People got so bored of it that they started leaving to the point where the online servers were shut down forever. It still has amazing core gameplay and most people can agree with that, but just lika games like crysis 2, being a good game is not the deciding factor of how long the game is played.

[wifeburger]

Overwatch and TF2 are both entirely different games.
I play Overwatch, I play TF2. I prefer Overwatch over TF2 because of its more modern combat mechanics, but I still enjoy Team Fortress 2 for the goofyness that it is.
But hey, take this comment with a grain of salt. I know I'm just going to be ignored.

[mishael1]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

Overwatch and TF2 are both entirely different games.
I play Overwatch, I play TF2. I prefer Overwatch over TF2 because of its more modern combat mechanics, but I still enjoy Team Fortress 2 for the goofyness that it is.
But hey, take this comment with a grain of salt. I know I'm just going to be ignored.

You are not ignored!

[The Incredible World of Dic]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

Overwatch and TF2 are both entirely different games.
I play Overwatch, I play TF2. I prefer Overwatch over TF2 because of its more modern combat mechanics, but I still enjoy Team Fortress 2 for the goofyness that it is.
But hey, take this comment with a grain of salt. I know I'm just going to be ignored.

For the entirely different games part, I would have to say that they obviously arent different in every way. And many games that last longer also are breakthroughs, the games I mentioned in my last comment are all breaktrhoughs for the genre, with overwatch being such a tf2 competition, it wont drag as much attention as it could have.

[wifeburger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jnaejnae:

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

Overwatch and TF2 are both entirely different games.
I play Overwatch, I play TF2. I prefer Overwatch over TF2 because of its more modern combat mechanics, but I still enjoy Team Fortress 2 for the goofyness that it is.
But hey, take this comment with a grain of salt. I know I'm just going to be ignored.

For the entirely different games part, I would have to say that they obviously arent different in every way. And many games that last longer also are breakthroughs, the games I mentioned in my last comment are all breaktrhoughs for the genre, with overwatch being such a tf2 competition, it wont drag as much attention as it could have.

What about Battlefield and Call of Duty? They're almost as identical as Overwatch is to TF2, but you don't see countless threads and videos of "Will Battlefield eventually steal CoD's audience?" or vice versa.

[wifeburger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez mishael1:

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

Overwatch and TF2 are both entirely different games.
I play Overwatch, I play TF2. I prefer Overwatch over TF2 because of its more modern combat mechanics, but I still enjoy Team Fortress 2 for the goofyness that it is.
But hey, take this comment with a grain of salt. I know I'm just going to be ignored.

You are not ignored!

Ahuhuhuhu~

[Oberon's Top Guy]

OverWatch is ass just watch Dunkey's video on youtube about it.

[The Incredible World of Dic]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jnaejnae:

For the entirely different games part, I would have to say that they obviously arent different in every way. And many games that last longer also are breakthroughs, the games I mentioned in my last comment are all breaktrhoughs for the genre, with overwatch being such a tf2 competition, it wont drag as much attention as it could have.

What about Battlefield and Call of Duty? They're almost as identical as Overwatch is to TF2, but you don't see countless threads and videos of "Will Battlefield eventually steal CoD's audience?" or vice versa.

Franchises that establish a genre always seem to survive longer. The reason why things like mortal combat, mario, and star craft are still played. I think overwatch COULD establish a sub genre of a shooter/moba, but i cant really see it being a base of something new as it already has a base.

[Princess Bubblegum]

Well overwacth doesn't have any type of cosmetics are weapons

[wifeburger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dasalts:

Well overwacth doesn't have any type of cosmetics are weapons

You can buy skins for the heroes in Overwatch, actually.

[COUNT FREAKULA]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dasalts:

Well overwacth doesn't have any type of cosmetics are weapons

You can buy skins for the heroes in Overwatch, actually.

It's doomed then

[Princess Bubblegum]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dasalts:

Well overwacth doesn't have any type of cosmetics are weapons

You can buy skins for the heroes in Overwatch, actually.

Wow I didn't know not really keeping track of what they've been adding because I'm not really interested in the game

[wifeburger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Traditional Toriel:

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

You can buy skins for the heroes in Overwatch, actually.

It's doomed then

The skins are cheap as ♥♥♥♥, mate. It's not League of Legends doomed.

[COUNT FREAKULA]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Muffet:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Traditional Toriel:

It's doomed then

The skins are cheap as ♥♥♥♥, mate. It's not League of Legends doomed.

Ah
I thought it would be like....dota 2 expensive (I'm talking about like 60 dollar cosmetic gloves for a specific character) that ♥♥♥♥ is ridiculous