Does Demoknight take skill?

[brgr]

I've heard a lot of people debate whether Demoknight takes skill or not. I was curious to know the opinions of the community. Does Demoknight take skill and why/why not?

[Nigel Pisswater]

yes

[Yzal]

Demoman = M1 + M2
Demoknight = M2 + M1

[NW/RL]

It takes skill, just a very small amount

[Psycho]

less skill than normal demoman, but still more skill than pyro

[Roboloke04]

from a mechanical perspective? Not much. His charge is his movement ability and its fairly straight forward. You get heads and move faster. You hit people with sword. Not much to it.





However if you factor in trimping and map knowledge you turn a fairly bland subclass into the king of movement. Not even soldier or sticky jumping demos can compare to across the map flight.


https://youtu.be/NYma6tXnQQs



So it really just depends on who you ask.


Personally I would say it varies, but on the upper half of the "skill" echelon.

[Inax]

Originally posted by Psycho:

less skill than normal demoman, but still more skill than pyro

[Ravenant]

It takes skill and strategy to survive gunfights and explosives with only a sword and s shield.

[Scout]

technically, demoknight does takes skill

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Absolutely not.

Trimping doesn’t count. You don’t do a triple sync jump as soldier on regular play so you certainly don’t do complex charges into the enemy team where you’ll die instantly

[Roboloke04]

Originally posted by GhastlyGhostJr:

Absolutely not.

Trimping doesn’t count. You don’t do a triple sync jump as soldier on regular play so you certainly don’t do complex charges into the enemy team where you’ll die instantly

rollouts don't exist I guess

Its not like ramps exist in every map in tf2

obviously the enemy will hit you 100% of the time when you are flying at mach 5.

[Vror]

You win passive resistances (Lowers the skill floor)
You win a "get out of jail free card" when things go bad (Lowers the skill floor)
Trimping (Increases the skill floor by a bit, it's not really hard to do because it depends on the map rather than the skill of the person)
No aim required (Heavily lowers the skill floor)

[Winux Lizard]

sort of

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Originally posted by Roboloke04:

Originally posted by GhastlyGhostJr:

Absolutely not.

Trimping doesn’t count. You don’t do a triple sync jump as soldier on regular play so you certainly don’t do complex charges into the enemy team where you’ll die instantly

rollouts don't exist I guess

Its not like ramps exist in every map in tf2

obviously the enemy will hit you 100% of the time when you are flying at mach 5.

Rollouts? You’re gonna rollout in 5cp as demoknight and get to mid first just to get bodied? You realize demos rollout quickly to trap or spam off entrances into mid right? If you pick demoknight you’re a pick class, at which point you will be picked when you leeroy jenkins your way into the enemy team.

[qpardo]

probably trimping is the only one thing that take skill as demoknight, and trimping is not hard, depends of the map of course

[Roboloke04]

Originally posted by GhastlyGhostJr:

Rollouts? You’re gonna rollout in 5cp as demoknight and get to mid first just to get bodied? You realize demos rollout quickly to trap or spam off entrances into mid right? If you pick demoknight you’re a pick class, at which point you will be picked when you leeroy jenkins your way into the enemy team.

goes from

"it doesnt matter"

to

"you'll die anyway"



My entire bloody point is that its a use case. Saying that movement isn't inherently useful and applicable or that it doesn't "take skill" to use it in a effective manner is a dumb statement.


Saying trimping isn't a useful (or practical) skill is like someone saying rocket jumping isnt useful and a practical ability.

both are incredible movement abilities and both have constant use cases in every map in the game.