W+M1 Pyros, and Why They're Horrible

[shad0w_luigi2012]

In a salty rage, a tf2 player wrote a post that he, on any other day, would not agree with. Here, it is archived for many tf2 players to witness one truth; Don't salt and write.

In this little post here, I'm going to do what many people have done and I'm going to complain about the w+m1 pyro. Many people whine about this breed of pyro, and I am one of those people. But I think that I can concisely write down my thoughts on why this kind of player is truly atrocious. Let's begin.

What is an W+M1 Pyro?

A W+M1 pyro is characterized by the controls in which they are using. W to walk foward, and M1 for attack. This creates a walking wall of flame that can easily be killed by a class such as Soldier, Demo, Heavy, Sniper, and Scout. While this pyro is easily killed by power classes, and the far away pick classes, there are some classes that get a bit of the short end of the stick. This leads into the problem of W+M1 pyros.

Well if they're so dumb, why are you dying to them, you ♥♥♥♥ing idiot.

Listen. When I'm playing spy, and some pyro that just started up tf2 for the first time can just walk at me with no fear, and no thought, and still get the upper hand on me simply because of something random I could not predict, I get upset. When the entire enemy team is filled with these type of pyros, I get angry. They're just walking at me? Corner stab. Wait, no, he ran into the wall on accident and accedentally saved himself. Try to headshot him with ambi? Nope, he moves with no thought, therefore making him unpredictable. Why not just look out for them and avoid them? Can't do that, they come out of nowhere. I can't win. Now let's say I'm playing medic. I could just be with my team healing people, when suddenly a pyro walks at me and lights me ablaze. No problem, I'll just fall back into my team, surely he won't follow me past a heavy, two soldiers, a demoman, and a sentry. Oh, he will. And he does. And he does it with the most blank, clueless, stupid expression, staring at me through his empty, souless eye holes. I have seen people with thousands of hours fall to the stupidity of a W+M1 pyro. It's rediculous.

Okay, let's go beg Gaben to get rid of pyros.

No, don't do that. Please? Just try to spread awareness about things such as M2, or secondary and melee weapons. The last thing we need is to try and get rid of the pyro. Believe it or not, skilled pyro's exist, and they're amazing. Every time I get reflect killed, I'm not even mad. I know then and there that I have been outplayed. When I get critical killed by a flare gun shot, I know that there was thought put into killing me effectively. When I'm on fire, and a friendly pyro extinguishes me, it makes me want to hug them. I love it when pyros use the skills they have at their disposal to kill me, apposed to them just walking at me.

Can anything be done to fix it?

I do have some ideas. But i'm not sure if they would work the way I would expect. One idea would be to nerf fire, and how it works in the game. Maybe there could be damage falloff depending on how long the pyro holds down the attack button? I personally think that afterburn is way too strong. If a pyro happens to nip you with a flame, he instantly does 60 damage over a period of 10 seconds. (40 over 10 seconds for degreaser) Personally, I think that is rediculous. I never have felt good about dying as a pyro, and seeing someone die in the killfeed from my flame 8 seconds after I'm dead. It feels cheap and unfair every single time. I think that 40 damage over 10 seconds should be the default. But that's just me. I know that nerf would ♥♥♥♥ off a lot of pyro mains. Then again it might not, seeing as pyro mains use the degreaser, get their damage through combos such and flare crits and axtinguisher crits, and reflect kills. I think it would need a lot of fine tuning, but the pyro needs a fire nerf specifically targeting people that hold down W+M1.

This has been my rant of a post, please don't leave stupid hate comments in the comment section. Actually have some bearing behind it. Like, don't hate on me for this, it's my opinion, if it's dumb, tell me why it's dumb, don't say it is then leave.
-Lifemarr

"There are some things that can beat smartness and foresight? Awkwardness and stupidity can. The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do, and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot." -Mark Twain
(credits to reddit user Clearskky for using this in the same comparison)

TL;DR: You don't find w+m1 pyros, they find you.

updated TL;DR: Don't make a post when you're salty.

[Ric Assley]

Автор сообщения: Thyrell

Автор сообщения: Phoenix Wright

I find these pyros one of the hardest things to kill as sniper. It is hard to predict their movements as op said, and it is hard to hit their head because it is shrouded in fire and you are running for your life.

The fire can't be dodged as hitscan and projectiles can, and once you are on fire it is often game over because afterburn ticks so much damage off. At least some are dumb enough to use the degreaser. The afterburn on that thing is terrible; reason enough not to use it.

dude they shouldn't be a high priority as sniper

You don't look for wm1 pyros, they find you.

[Waffles]

Автор сообщения: Pyrrha Nyx

Автор сообщения: 308th Dr. Staidanom

I wonder why the wm1 tactic is sooo well rewarded by the game...
Sometimes, I come across a wm1 Pyro and, since I'm out of rockets, I can't counter them.
I mean, why can't people land at least ONE melee hit while running at pyros? Because the flames take literally less than a second to kill you.

Use the Shotgun.

Oh noes, that means I can't rocket jump anymore since medics in pubs suck...

[Nemesis]

Автор сообщения: Phoenix Wright

Автор сообщения: Thyrell

dude they shouldn't be a high priority as sniper

You don't look for wm1 pyros, they find you.

Heaven help you if it's a w+m1 pyro that knows how to Flare Jump.

[shad0w_luigi2012]

Автор сообщения: TVMAN

I stopped reading once you started talking from the viewpoint of a Spy. Pyro is your hard counter. so you're supposed to frequently die to him. Either figure out how to counter or avoid Pyro, or play a different class.

When I'm fully invisible and a brainless pyro come around a corner blasting fire at nothing, I get a little upset. When a pyro is literally being rewarded for walking at me, and I'm helpless to it, I get a little upset. What doesn't upset me is whenever I'm uncloaked, and disguised and a pyro spychecks me. Or when I just cloak and the pyro is spamming flames around where he thinks I might've gone. I understand that, and I'm fine with that.

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

Автор сообщения: Pyrrha Nyx

Автор сообщения: Phoenix Wright

You don't look for wm1 pyros, they find you.

Heaven help you if it's a w+m1 pyro that knows how to Flare Jump.

If they flare jump, it isn't a w+m1 Pyro.

Also, any class can w+m1.

[Waffles]

Автор сообщения: Pyrrha Nyx

Автор сообщения: Phoenix Wright

You don't look for wm1 pyros, they find you.

Heaven help you if it's a w+m1 pyro that knows how to Flare Jump.

OH GOD.

[Nemesis]

Автор сообщения: Berser King

Автор сообщения: Pyrrha Nyx

Heaven help you if it's a w+m1 pyro that knows how to Flare Jump.

If they flare jump, it isn't a w+m1 Pyro.

Also, any class can w+m1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHPltbD-4QA

[shad0w_luigi2012]

Автор сообщения: Phoenix Wright

Автор сообщения: Thyrell

dude they shouldn't be a high priority as sniper

You don't look for wm1 pyros, they find you.

This. This could function as a tl;dr for this whole post XD

[TVMAN]

Автор сообщения: BBB-HLLifemarr

When I'm fully invisible and a brainless pyro come around a corner blasting fire at nothing, I get a little upset. When a pyro is literally being rewarded for walking at me, and I'm helpless to it, I get a little upset. What doesn't upset me is whenever I'm uncloaked, and disguised and a pyro spychecks me. Or when I just cloak and the pyro is spamming flames around where he thinks I might've gone. I understand that, and I'm fine with that.

I have so many questions here. First, why are you putting yourself in these positions in the first place? Why are you blindly walking around corners? Why are you using frequently used routes on the map? If a noob pyro is killing you, it's only because you're letting him. You're dealing with a class that has the shortest range in the game. The only person who's helpless here is you, not the class. You can't blame someone for using the flamethrower as it's intended.

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Автор сообщения: TVMAN

Автор сообщения: BBB-HLLifemarr

When I'm fully invisible and a brainless pyro come around a corner blasting fire at nothing, I get a little upset. When a pyro is literally being rewarded for walking at me, and I'm helpless to it, I get a little upset. What doesn't upset me is whenever I'm uncloaked, and disguised and a pyro spychecks me. Or when I just cloak and the pyro is spamming flames around where he thinks I might've gone. I understand that, and I'm fine with that.

I have so many questions here. First, why are you putting yourself in these positions in the first place? Why are you blindly walking around corners? Why are you using frequently used routes on the map? If a noob pyro is killing you, it's only because you're letting him. You're dealing with a class that has the shortest range in the game. The only person who's helpless here is you, not the class. You can't blame someone for using the flamethrower as it's intended.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=605638311

[Spiffer]

Автор сообщения: BBB-HLLifemarr

TL;DR: You don't find w+m1 pyros, they find you.

That's a pretty awful TL;DR, as it doesn't sum up your post at all.

Also, there's a difference betweeen a W+M1 Pyro, and a Pyro who kills you with his flamethrower because it's his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ primary weapon.

With all the changes Valve has been making to Pyro lately, using your Flamethrower is a much more viable tactic now.

Also, if you're spy, you're going to die to Pyros a lot. After all, he is your counter.

Try to avoid where people are grouping up, as large groups of people tend to attract M1s like moths to a flame.

[shad0w_luigi2012]

Автор сообщения: TVMAN

Автор сообщения: BBB-HLLifemarr

When I'm fully invisible and a brainless pyro come around a corner blasting fire at nothing, I get a little upset. When a pyro is literally being rewarded for walking at me, and I'm helpless to it, I get a little upset. What doesn't upset me is whenever I'm uncloaked, and disguised and a pyro spychecks me. Or when I just cloak and the pyro is spamming flames around where he thinks I might've gone. I understand that, and I'm fine with that.

I have so many questions here. First, why are you putting yourself in these positions in the first place? Why are you blindly walking around corners? Why are you using frequently used routes on the map? If a noob pyro is killing you, it's only because you're letting him. You're dealing with a class that has the shortest range in the game. The only person who's helpless here is you, not the class.

I should've explained that better. When I'm walking through a flank route or something like that, just a spot where no one should be. And a pyro comes around a corner blazing his flame rifle for no reason, and he blinks me, and I'm trying to run away from him while shooting/trying trickstabs as a last ditch effort because I'm going to die anyways and nothing works. That's what I mean. I don't get near pyros. I don't go after them. I don't attack them. I try my hardest to stay away. I'm a sneaky french backstab man. It's just when things like that happen is when I get irritated enough to make an ametuer post on steam that will solve nothing. In reality, yeah, I really do need to just practice spy more and be more observant. But I still don't like it when that happens.

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Автор сообщения: BBB-HLLifemarr

I still don't like it

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

[Hasu]

At least this isn't the dumbest thing out there on the forums.

Medic and Spy are going to be targeted as one is a healing class therefore a prime target for the entire enemy team to kill, and spy has a knife that cna instakill from the back, and if a good spy is playing, can wipe out the entire enemy team if done well enough.

If a Pyro is just holding W+M1 at all times you will get killed around the corner, but that will never happen unless if they know you're there.

W+M1 can kill you easily, sure, unless if he is walking in a straight line and you're a class taht can headshot, or has a knockback weapon, or if you find your own way of killing him, which isn't too hard to do.

[PePeЯ]

My god how many minutes u have writting this m8 i Know mw1 pyros a really boring but make like a intire text Imao.